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Discussion in 'Navy & Maritime' started by AegisFC, Jul 3, 2008.

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  1. Sea Toby

    Sea Toby New Member

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    Simply put, with minehunting modules for the LCS, the US Navy hopes not to have to replace in the future their minesweepers and minehunters. To send them to the Persian Gulf, the navy had to uplift them. These minesweepers and minehunters don't have world wide range. They're useful for the eastern Pacific and western Atlantic, they're not very useful for the Indian Ocean. But the LCS will.
     
  2. alexsa

    alexsa Defense Professional Verified Defense Pro

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    I don't have any comont on the majority of you post but it is not valid to call these ships small. They are quite large vessels for their armament but wiht large are helo decks. However they are very light resulting in a limited DWT but high speed. As a point:

    LCS1 - LOA 115m, Beam 17.5m (depending on who you believe)
    LCS2 - LOA 127.1m, Beam 31.4m (on a Trimarant hull form)

    By way of comparision a MEKO200 is a 3600 tonne GP frigate (not small compared to some):

    MEKO200 - LOA 118m, Beam 14.8m
     
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    Any news update about the US warship in Black Sea? I can't find it on Google.
     
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    bd popeye Defense Professional Verified Defense Pro

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    As far as I know they left the Black Sea some time ago. Check navy.mil.

    Later..much later..I just ran accross this..

    I don't think the Barry was part of the original three ships to enter the Black Sea after the Russian action against Georgia.
     
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    flanx New Member

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    thanks for the infos Popeye... yes Barry is not included..

    It was the Coast Guard that arrived first, then the US Missile Cruiser if im not wrong.

    As far i know only the Coast Guard ship left after a visit in Crimea.
     
  6. AegisFC

    AegisFC Super Moderator Staff Member Verified Defense Pro

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    http://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/10/navy_barry_grounding_102408w/

    http://turkishnavy.blogspot.com/2008/10/uss-barry-ran-aground-in-samsun.html

    The USS Barry ran aground while being maneuvered by tugs into Samsun Turkey. So far the ship appears undamaged
    Normally this would be a death blow to the CO's career but the fact that she had a Turkish pilot, was being maneuvered by tugs and that it seems the entrance of the harbor was shallower than indicated in the charts might let him keep his command.
     
  7. Salty Dog

    Salty Dog Defense Professional Verified Defense Pro

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    Very interesting that the ship went aground with the after section which AFAIK has a shallower draft than the bow section due to the sonar dome. They will most likely need to run some trials to see if any of the shafts or rudder systems were dinged or jolted out of position.

    I recall on a southbound transit of the Suez Canal, one of the Port Suez tugs got a bit too close on a quarter of our DDG and managed to ding one of our props. It was a slight ding and we carried on for the remainder of our deployment, but that shaft had a nasty vibration at a certain rpm range. We eventually had it fixed during a drydocking availablity.

    Unfortunately, I don't think the CO will get off that easy.
     
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    Why? i don't see it as his fault as he was under a pilot instruction, if the charts are not accurate he's not a magician to know how deep the the water is
     
  9. Salty Dog

    Salty Dog Defense Professional Verified Defense Pro

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    There are only two instances AFAIK that a US Navy commanding officer is absolved of the responsibility of the safe navigation of his ship when a pilot is present; 1) When entering or leaving drydock or 2) transit in the Panama Canal.
     
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    But is that not the same thing?
    I was under the impression that the pilot has command of the vessel for navigation purposes because he/she knows the area.
     
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    Salty Dog Defense Professional Verified Defense Pro

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    For safe navigation of US Navy ships, no. The CO retains full responsibility.
     
  12. AegisFC

    AegisFC Super Moderator Staff Member Verified Defense Pro

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    The CO may be screwed no matter what the investigation finds. The Barry was the former command of both Admiral Rougheah (current CNO) and Admiral Stavrdis, both highly influential individuals.
     
  13. Salty Dog

    Salty Dog Defense Professional Verified Defense Pro

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    Unfortunately, you may be correct mate. I'm sure the Admirals had their own private comments (yes, best kept in private) when they read the OPREP.
     
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    alexsa Defense Professional Verified Defense Pro

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    In fact this true for all commercial vessels as well. Excepte where doemstic legisltaion indicates the pilot has control (Panama Canal and Houson Ship Canal) the pilot 'advises' and the master retains ultimate control.

    While the reality may seem different when the ship ends up aground the master can expect to share the blame.
     
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    AegisFC Super Moderator Staff Member Verified Defense Pro

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    The problem plagued San Antonio is in Bahrain for a couple weeks due unacceptable problems with the lube oil system.

    http://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/11/navy_san_antonio_110608/

    Pictures of the faulty welds can be found here.

    http://www.coltoncompany.com/newsandcomment/news/MMR2 Weld Defects.pdf

    First of class ships have problems but this ship was just poorly built and the USN never should of accepted it from Northrop-Grumman.
     
  16. harryriedl

    harryriedl Active Member Verified Defense Pro

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    the San Antionos are a truly depressing tale of cost overruns an criminally incompetent build and still bits being found not be working :shudder at least the 3 and 4 seem alright
     
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    Apparently New Orleans is a mess as well.
     
  18. AegisFC

    AegisFC Super Moderator Staff Member Verified Defense Pro

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    I've heard that as well, but the Mesa Verde is in good shape.
     
  19. Sea Toby

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    I believe you will discover all of the ships that were under construction where Katrina hit hard will all be lemons. Overnight both shipyards lost a quarter of their trained employees. The employees that stayed ended up with lots of overtime, spending longer days at work. On top of the overtime, their homes were flooded and their roofs destroyed. Its very hard to maintain morale and quality control under these circumstances. Its been a few years, and still New Orleans hasn't recovered completely. Its a wonder the ships weren't sunk by Katrina.
     
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    Sorry to go back so far but i was interested in the inital article in this post relating to how the carrier USS America was scuttled off the coast by a series of torpedoes, cruise missiles and explosions to replicate the USS Coles experience. After reading into this a bit more i have heard that the US Navy purchased some Sunburn Anti-ship missiles from the russians and i was wanting to know if anyone knew how the scuttling went? What type of munitions were used? If in fact they used sunburn missiles and how they went.

    I believe the whole event was kept very hush hush with the results since no american carrier had been directly attacked since WWII and the results of modern cruise missiles on US carriers were not know.

    Be very interested to find out, thanks.