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Indonesia: 'green water navy'

Discussion in 'Navy & Maritime' started by Supe, Jun 28, 2005.

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  1. John Fedup

    John Fedup Well-Known Member

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    I don’t understand why the UK would waste its time paying for a foreign design for a T31 when they have invested so much in the T26. Surely building 13 T26 hulls and fitting 5 of them with cheap kit would provide the cost savings Treasury wants and the T26 “Lite” version should be better than a T31? The RN would also also be able to upgrade a Lite version in the event a T26 was lost. As for NZ, tagging on to the OZ or Canadian build might be best considering the sub proliferation in the Asia Pacific region.
     
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    This is already being talked for some time in local forum and Media. However it's not a done deal yet, since Damen in last Indonesia Defence also offering a completely new Frigates design call 'Omega'.

    I've put before Odense with no shipyard on their own operating anymore, now selling design to any shipyard that want to build their design.
    Thus it got 'traction' politically as they offer complete Tech Transfer to PAL for Iver design and manufacture process.
     
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    Thanks for sharing... ive found this:
    IndoDefence 2018: Damen Unveils 6000 Tons 'Omega' Frigate

    Both the Iver Huitfeldt Class and Koninklijke Schelde's Omega design are great and interesting designs. Both are also using radar/sewaco systems from Hollandse Signaalapparaten, but the Omega design even a newer generation, which makes it maybe also more expensive.

    So we just have to wait and see which one will be chosen, because prices and the amount of transfer of technology are also very important, if this current administration choose something.
     
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    always positive to see Indonesia getting new surface capability I just hope the sustainment requirements are well included in the evaluation which is the trap for ALL Navies.
     
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    Sorry, double post. Sadly it is not possible to erase this one.
     
  7. Sandhi Yudha

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    Some good quality video shots from KRI Alugoro 405. It is the third out of three ordered Type 209-1400 submarines from South-Korea and the first one build by PAL.
    Hopefully the trials will go smoothly after the launching.
     
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    Looking good, a really useful addition to the service.
     
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    KRI Alugoro 405, kapal selam buatan indonesia - ANTARA TV

    Video for yesterday ceremony on KRI Alugoro hand over and launching. Also today, Mindef also sign contract (on several procurement project with local and overseas vendor), including USD 1.2 bio for second batch of 3 U209/1400 with PT. PAL and DSME.

    Alugoro still has all the modules build by DSME but then assemble by PT. PAL in their submarine facility. The next 3 still not clear yet, how much modules build by PAL and how much by DSME.
    PAL before shown slides (already put somewhere in this thread) on their plan modules development, which indicating progressing stages before the 6th (last Submarine on the 2nd batch), plan to have build locally on all modules.

    Will remain to be seen if the stages still as planned. PAL still need to build further infrastructure if want to have all modules being manufacture in their facility.
     
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    Back in 2010 the plan for the type 26 was to build 8 ASW and 5 GP versions.

    It was all very sensible stuff, smaller mission bay, fewer VLS, smaller main gun, smaller flight deck, fewer sensors and so on with a subsequent reduction in size. It wasn't ideal but it sounded perfectly doable.
     
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    Thank you for sharing.
    Some links about the acquisition.

    S. Korea signs contract to export 3 submarines to Indonesia | Yonhap News Agency

    DSME to deliver three more submarines to Indonesia | Jane's 360

    Its remarkable that with $ 1.020.000.000 the value of the contract is slightly below the contract of 2011.
     
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    Kontrak Lanjutan Dilaksanakan, Indonesia Tambah Lagi 3 Kapal Selam dari Korea

    Well the local Media put the Submarine contract at USD 1.2 bio, and that's slightly higher than first batch contract at USD 1.1 bio.

    I do tend to believe on USD 1.2 bio mark..as for this second batch, jobs for PAL will be higher thus eventough production cost of PAL lower than DSME, but as this is new manufacturing process for PAL..it usually will cost higher in the begining. Also this means a lot of materials will be trafficking between PAL and DSME facilities, thus will increase cost.