Marine Nationale (French Navy)

Sandhi Yudha

Sandhi Yudha

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Murse said:
Its a shame that they are only building 1. 2 is 1 and 1 in none as I read here recently
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Yes, imagine you urgently need your only aircraft carrier to evacuate your citizens abroad, or for other support missions, and it just entered heavy periodic maintenance.
 
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SolarisKenzo

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France can barely afford one, two is currently out of discussion.
They might share the second with another country (Italy?) but I honestly don't see it as a realistic option.
 
Murse

Murse

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SolarisKenzo said:
France can barely afford one, two is currently out of discussion.
They might share the second with another country (Italy?) but I honestly don't see it as a realistic option.
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I didn't know they were that cash poor. So it begs the question, why do it? National pride and job creation/maintenance i suspect, but what capabilities or platforms will they miss out on to pay for it?
 
Ananda

Ananda

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The only time French have 2 carrier fleet are the time of Cold War with Foch and Clemanceu. Since CDG, they only have one CVN, and not surprising that CDG will only be replace by another one CVN.

Let's compare between RN two carrier and Marine Nationale (MN) one carrier. RN shown that they relies on allies coop to have full operational CAG. Sometimes on escorts requirement and sometimes on the Air Wing (with US Marines F-35B). While MN relies mostly on their own assets.

Perhaps they can afford two carriers, but not two fully MN assets CAG (as like condition of RN that admitted they don't have assets to cover 2 CAG simultanously). Seems MN doctrine as French, is to have independencies of CAG more important. If they can only afford 1 CAG, why bother with 2nd carrier (as back up).
 
John Fedup

John Fedup

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Ananda said:
The only time French have 2 carrier fleet are the time of Cold War with Foch and Clemanceu. Since CDG, they only have one CVN, and not surprising that CDG will only be replace by another one CVN.

Let's compare between RN two carrier and Marine Nationale (MN) one carrier. RN shown that they relies on allies coop to have full operational CAG. Sometimes on escorts requirement and sometimes on the Air Wing (with US Marines F-35B). While MN relies mostly on their own assets.

Perhaps they can afford two carriers, but not two fully MN assets CAG (as like condition of RN that admitted they don't have assets to cover 2 CAG simultanously). Seems MN doctrine as French, is to have independencies of CAG more important. If they can only afford 1 CAG, why bother with 2nd carrier (as back up).
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I guess 2 carriers would be useful albeit never deployed together as two sets of escorts couldn’t be manned even if the funding was available.
 
Sandhi Yudha

Sandhi Yudha

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The Aéronautique Navale operates a fleet of six Falcon 10MER aircraft, which are to be gradually withdrawn from service between 2026 and 2027. The aircraft will be replaced from the first half of 2026 by the lease of three Pilatur PC-24s, and from these three PC-24s, the first one is already rolled out.

Rollout of first French Navy PC-24

It is remarkable that the Marine Nationale chose for a foreign aircraft instead of the Falcon 2000 or another Dassault model, the PC-24s are probably much cheaper than the Falcons.
 
John Fedup

John Fedup

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Ananda said:
www.bfmtv.com

"France Libre": Emmanuel Macron dévoile le nom du futur porte-avions français qui succédera au Charles de Gaulle en 2038

Le chef de l'État a annoncé ce mercredi que le futur porte-avions sera baptisé "France Libre". Sa mise en service est prévue pour 2038.
www.bfmtv.com www.bfmtv.com

So PANG now have name, and call France Libre. Why I got feeling Macron want to counter Trump trend and creating grandious name sake for defense projects as Orange Trump done.
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Why....? perhaps because he is French. ;)
 
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SolarisKenzo

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They wanted to call the ship "Charles De Gaulle" but for obvious reasons they couldn't (you can't have 2 ships with the same name simultaneously) so they called it "France Libre" which was the name of De Gaulle's movement during the second world war. It was De Gaulle's exile government that also supported the resistance in Nazi-occupied territory and in Vichy.

It's much less "nationalist" than you think. But I guess that it sounds a bit weird if you are not extremely familiar with french rebellion during ww2. In France and also in other european countries you hear "France Libre" and you think about De Gaulle.
 
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kato

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Ananda said:
Why I got feeling Macron want to counter Trump trend and creating grandious name sake for defense projects as Orange Trump done.
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It's not a created grandious name. "France Libre" is the french name of the government-in-exile formed by Charles de Gaulle in June 1940, and the official designation of French soldiers fighting on the Allied side between June 1940 and August 1943.

Also, it has some relevance in the fact that the Western Allies, especially the US under Roosevelt, at the time did not recognise "France Libre" as the government of France during the war.
 
Sandhi Yudha

Sandhi Yudha

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Ananda said:
www.bfmtv.com

"France Libre": Emmanuel Macron dévoile le nom du futur porte-avions français qui succédera au Charles de Gaulle en 2038

Le chef de l'État a annoncé ce mercredi que le futur porte-avions sera baptisé "France Libre". Sa mise en service est prévue pour 2038.
www.bfmtv.com www.bfmtv.com

So PANG now have name, and call France Libre. Why I got feeling Macron want to counter Trump trend and creating grandious name sake for defense projects as Orange Trump done.
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At least he doesn't want to call the new aircraft carrier "Macron".
 
StevoJH

StevoJH

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A little bit awkward, but multiple reports on news websites of someone on Charles De Gaule uploading his workout to Strava on an account not marked as private.

Oops.

www.indiatoday.in

How a sailor’s daily workout gave away French aircraft carrier’s location

A French sailor accidentally compromised the location of the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle by logging his workout on the fitness app Strava. The app’s geolocation feature allowed real-time tracking of the carrier and its fleet.
www.indiatoday.in www.indiatoday.in

www.bbc.com

Officer reportedly leaks location of French aircraft carrier with Strava run

The 35-minute workout reveals the vessel's location as it heads towards the Middle East, Le Monde reports.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
 
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swerve

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There have also been reports of some of Putin's security staff being tracked to palatial buildings in Russia that officially neither the Russian state nor Putin own, security guards of Macron being tracked while exercising via smart watches, Biden's & Trump's security being tracked, etc. Most of these seem to be Strava, but not all. Apparently one problem's been that "private" for Strava has holes.

If I was a head of state or the like, security guards using personal devices that track them while on duty, including off-hours while posted somewhere, would be banned - even in a supposedly private mode. Ditto for warship crew. They'd be allowable only when specifically permitted, & every device would have to be declared. Maybe have Faraday cage storage which they'd have to be checked out from when use was permitted.
 
Sandhi Yudha

Sandhi Yudha

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swerve said:
There have also been reports of some of Putin's security staff being tracked to palatial buildings in Russia that officially neither the Russian state nor Putin own, security guards of Macron being tracked while exercising via smart watches, Biden's & Trump's security being tracked, etc. Most of these seem to be Strava, but not all. Apparently one problem's been that "private" for Strava has holes.

If I was a head of state or the like, security guards using personal devices that track them while on duty, including off-hours while posted somewhere, would be banned - even in a supposedly private mode. Ditto for warship crew. They'd be allowable only when specifically permitted, & every device would have to be declared. Maybe have Faraday cage storage which they'd have to be checked out from when use was permitted.
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The usage and possession of smartwatch, mobile phones and other devices with GPS/position/location function and applications should be simply forbidden during the mission/tour/operation. Can't they really not perform their workouts without it?
 
StevoJH

StevoJH

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Sandhi Yudha said:
The usage and possession of smartwatch, mobile phones and other devices with GPS/position/location function and applications should be simply forbidden during the mission/tour/operation. Can't they really not perform their workouts without it?
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If you don't record it, did you really do it?

The watch itself and tracking the exercise isn’t really the issue, it’s the data being uploaded to the cloud. If you can’t trust your troops to have the correct settings on their mobile devices, ban them having their phones on operations or jam the bands that they operate on.
 
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