Royal New Zealand Navy Discussions and Updates

[Volkodav]

The problem is not to many hulls just not enough trained personnel to cover critical roles. This dates back to the Key government decision to change the terms and conditions of service from a service based system to a system based on civilian industry practices. This has lead to fully trained personnel leaving for better paying jobs outside the services. These changes have been a disaster in terms of retention of skilled personnel and due to the pollies not wanting to admit they made a mistake, this problem is likely to continue in the foreseeable future.
The OPV's and IPV's are currently not in sea service so scapping will achieve nothing, also the navy has about 2200 personnel, but it is the lack of the experienced personnel in the right qualification brackets that is the problem. A Mogami takes around 90 crew so the numbers are not the problem.

A fleet of five Mogamis would suit NZ well.

Not all would need to be in service, i.e. one in reserve or a minor availability, one in a major availability and three rotating through deployments.

They could be acquired over and extended period providing plenty of time to train crews, say one every three to five years.

Their multi role nature would also permit NZ to get into mine warfare and other areas.

 

[old faithful]

A fleet of five Mogamis would suit NZ well.

Not all would need to be in service, i.e. one in reserve or a minor availability, one in a major availability and three rotating through deployments.

They could be acquired over and extended period providing plenty of time to train crews, say one every three to five years.

Their multi role nature would also permit NZ to get into mine warfare and other areas.

5!!!????

They just ordered 5 Seahawks, let alone frigates!
I reckon 3 would be optimistic.

 

[Stampede]

5!!!????

They just ordered 5 Seahawks, let alone frigates!
I reckon 3 would be optimistic.

NZ’s navy realistically needs a clean slate approach going forward.
But for its supply ship, all of its current fleet needs replacing.
Not a great position to be in, but it is an opportunity to finally get it right.
So
What range of capabilities does NZ need?
What is it realistically prepared to fund?

If they want an actual warship the Mogami should be a good fit.
As to numbers refer to the above two questions.

Cheers S

 

[Rob c]

5!!!????

They just ordered 5 Seahawks, let alone frigates!
I reckon 3 would be optimistic.

When you have one training, another servicing and one as backup in case of unserviceability I think 2 deployed on ships is all you can expect.
With this in mind I think that 2 frigates is all the government has in it's current planning.

 

[kiwipatriot69]

When you have one training, another servicing and one as backup in case of unserviceability I think 2 deployed on ships is all you can expect.
With this in mind I think that 2 frigates is all the government has in it's current planning.

Which seems to go against what the Defence minister herself stated, 'funding allocated for a increased presence in the pacific' stating how much the threat level changed in recent years, so how does get achieved with 2 frigates? 'Increased lethality?

3 Mogami requires 270 crew. Two Anzacs require 360.

They want HMNZS Canterbury replaced with 2 ships for under a billion and crew them both?

Well how about 2 Damen LST 120 then. Equals the total crew of Canterbury and only $600 million. Can be used as a OPV role too.

Long range drones are being funded for what 300 to 600 million? . 3 Seaguardian is my pick. We can buy them easily and man them by contracting the peraonell from General atomic themselves. If they cost any more the savings of the Sealift purchase adds 400 million to that.

The current OPV , Otago is it? Being brought back into service, to do Southern Ocean patrol? Well that crew could be utilized in a new SOPV when that ships replaced.Something like Canada's arctic patrol vessel for instance.Maybe we can get the Danes to build one.

Someone here mentioned palletisation for increased lethality. Surely that could be added to the OPV and Sealift too?