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Boagrius

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CSIS have released a rather stylish presentation on the current state of PRC power projection capabilities:


Nothing that most around here wouldn't be aware of, but certainly a handy visual aid.
 

oldsig127

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Software backdoors and 'secret chips' have been found on many different types of network/computer gear from the PRC. This report from 3 years ago made headlines at the time The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate U.S. Companies -
About 15 years ago (crikey!) I was consulting for a group of government departments on an upgrade to their telecommunications infrastructure and was on the panel evaluating competing bids to replace routing, switching and firewall equipment. A Chinese company was unanimously voted as high risk, high consequence on almost every security question.

They (or the Australian importer)didn't get the business. These sort of issues go back well beyond them piquing the interest of the press.

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ngatimozart

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Xi Jinping continues to fight his factional war against Jiang Zemin and his faction, if some of the commentators are to be believed. It has become very personal because according to these commentators there has been an assassination attempt against Xi and since then his personal security has increased. The assassination attempt came out of the Central Security Bureau, responsible for the security of the Politburo Standing Committee members, and the Peoples Police. Two senior members have been fired with one, Sun Lijun, Vice Minister being expelled from the Party and subject to judicial scrutiny. The other, Fu Zenghua was Minister of Justice and is now under investigation.



Now Xi is using the PLA-GF for his personal security, doing something not done before by changing the security commanders at the highest level multiple times in nine years. He's also appointed five generals to high level and important commands simultaneously, replacing the incumbents before their terms were due to expire.

So interesting times.
 
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ngatimozart

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This is a link to a 653 page French Military report on the CCP / PRC influence operations. It's in French so I am emailing the IRSEM, enquiring if it's available in English.


I found it compliments of this youtube poster. She claims it to be the most important western work on CCP / PRC influence operations.

 

Musashi_kenshin

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The link mentions 2 million trolls and 20 million part time trolls employed by the CCP. This is a pretty depressing number that the West has to somehow counter.
There's little evidence that their troll/bot farms actually succeed in convincing Europeans and North Americans to follow the CCP line. Unfavourable views of China have only increased in the last 5 years in the first world.

It certainly is something to continue to pressure social media companies over as the trolls and bots break the rules of those platforms, not least by spreading misinformation. But it's not as bad as one might think.
 

Musashi_kenshin

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It’s not the CCP line that is of so much concern, it is the misinformation they feed into social media, especially in the case of the polarized USA where there are some vulnerable receptive people.
I always thought that was more the Russians than the Chinese. From what I've seen Chinese bots have been more concerned with defending the CCP or pushing its narrative, even if they seem to have branched out into misinformation on other topics..
 

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I always thought that was more the Russians than the Chinese. From what I've seen Chinese bots have been more concerned with defending the CCP or pushing its narrative, even if they seem to have branched out into misinformation on other topics..
It appears to depend on who the bots are working for. If they are full time PLA then they are probably far more nuanced. But if they are part timers, or outside contractors they may be less constrained in their nationalistic fervour.
 

weaponwh

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The link mentions 2 million trolls and 20 million part time trolls employed by the CCP. This is a pretty depressing number that the West has to somehow counter.
there are probably some, but i doubt its in the millions.
most those post are from nationalistic chinese, and they dont need payroll from ccp to said pro-beijing stuff. there are millions exchange student in EU/N.america/aussie and other place, and thats just the student, not including vpn posters etc etc. most chinese seen western media portrait china in the negative light, some will likely reply to those post.
 

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Chinese Artificial Intelligence (AI) Efforts

1. Jennifer Melot, Ben Murphy, and Ryan Fedasiuk at the Center for Security and Emerging Technology (CSET) compiled every procurement record published by PLA units and state-owned defense companies from Apr to Nov 2020, to find what the PLA is buying.

2. Key findings include:

(a) Chinese military leaders are already procuring AI-related systems and equipment to prepare for “intelligentized” warfare, but AI so far represents a small fraction of overall purchasing activity.​
  • Approximately 1.9% of public PLA contracts awarded between April 2020 and November 2020 are related to AI or autonomy.
  • While we can only estimate a floor for Chinese military AI spending, it is likely that the PLA spends more than US$1.6 billion each year on AI-related systems and equipment.
  • The PLA seems most focused on procuring AI for intelligence analysis, predictive maintenance, information warfare, and navigation and target recognition in autonomous vehicles.
  • Whereas some PLA officers have expressed serious reservations about developing lethal autonomous weapons systems (LAWS), laboratories affiliated with the Chinese military are actively pursuing AI-based target recognition and fire control research, which may be used in LAWS.
(b) Chinese leaders view AI as the key to transforming the PLA into a “world-class,” globally competitive military force. PLA advances in AI and autonomy will create new vulnerabilities for the United States and allied forces operating in the Indo-Pacific.​
  • The PLA hopes to use AI to generate asymmetric advantages vis-à-vis the United States, which it regards as a “strong enemy” (强敌), but also a role model for AI development.
  • PLA units and military laboratories are focused on developing autonomous vehicles and surveillance systems in the undersea domain, where the United States has traditionally had a significant advantage.
  • The PLA is stepping up investment in information operations and adaptive radar systems to jam and blind U.S. sensor and information networks, which PLA leaders judge to be particularly vulnerable.
  • To compensate for vulnerabilities in its own networks, the PLA may adopt edge applications of AI (directly proximate to, or embedded within a platform) that can operate semi- or fully autonomously.
(c) China’s military-civil fusion (军民融合) development strategy is helping the PLA acquire COTS technologies, both from private Chinese technology companies and sources outside of China.​
  • Most of the PLA’s AI equipment suppliers are not state-owned defense enterprises, but private Chinese tech companies founded after 2010.
  • Although most suppliers are not state-owned, many have benefited from equipment, personnel, information, or capital provided directly or indirectly by the state.
  • Of the 273 PLA AI equipment suppliers identified in this study, just 8 percent are named in U.S. export control and sanctions regimes.
  • Some Chinese suppliers make a business out of sourcing foreign data or components and reselling them to sanctioned Chinese defense companies and PLA units.
  • Lapses in due diligence and situational awareness may permit the Chinese military and defense industry to access capital and technology originating in the United States and partner nations, including advanced computer chips.
3. In summary, these include AI systems designed to identify undersea vehicles, wargame Taiwan operations, track US Navy ships, and deploy electronic countermeasures, among other tasks (see: Harnessed Lightning —How the Chinese Military is Adopting Artificial Intelligence).

4. IMHO, many Americans have lost touch with reality of China’s desire to improve and their real at sea capability relative to American naval decline. Please read posts in the Defence of Taiwan thread, for some of my thoughts.
 
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STURM

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"IMHO, many Americans have lost touch with reality of China’s desire to improve and their real at sea capability
Same mistake they made in 1941. The US superiority complex is hard to shake off.
To me what's worrying is the assumption [held not only by Americans] that eventhough the Chinese are improving, they are still πot good enough to present a serious challenge and that American superiority in tech, experience and training will ultimately prove devisive in any future conflict.
 

John Fedup

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To me what's worrying is the assumption [held not only by Americans] that eventhough the Chinese are improving, they are still πot good enough to present a serious challenge and that American superiority in tech, experience and training will ultimately prove devisive in any future conflict.
I think experience and training do still offer superiority for the Americans, especially combat experience. The technology contest is an entirely different issue, there could be some nasty surprises. The other factor is China’s manufacturing capacity and huge manpower reserves.
 

STURM

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The Yanks certainly still have a training and experience advantage but whether this will actually make a difference in any future conflict remains to be seen. How a conflict plays out might be unlike anything we've contemplated or foreseen. What's for certain is that China will try its best to avoid meeting the Americans in a way that plays to American strenghts/advantages and it has the key advantage of operating close to home.
 
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John Fedup

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The Yanks certainly still have a training and experience advantage but whether this will actually make a difference in any future conflict remains to be seen. How a conflict plays out might be unlike anything we've contemplated or foreseen. What's for certain is that China will try its best to avoid meeting the Americans in a way that plays to American strenghts/advantages and it has the key advantage of operating close to home.
Yes, the close to home base is a significant advantage for China. Any confrontation will see the largest missile exchange in history, possibly massive satellite disruption and likely some innovations in weapons. Another big factor will be surface ship survival. Will defensive anti-missile systems be overwhelmed by saturation missile attacks?
 
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