Indian Navy Discussions and Updates

Sandhi Yudha

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The new mission computer is intended to give the navy the flexibility to integrate domestically developed and western-origin, air-launched weapons with the MiG-29K. So this new HAL-developed system will make the MiG-29K indeed more flexible and multirole.
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group
Even its maybe based on the Project 1143 / Kiev / Vikramaditya design,
I got impression Vikrant not based on Russian design but Italian/Fincantieri design. It's based more to enlarge Italian carrier Cavour design. The ski jump I also see based more to Italian experience with previous ski jump design in Garibaldi.


This is more on Fincantieri co-op with Indian yard, including Vikrant project. Still with Fincantieri involvement, why they design that relatively smaller elevator ?

My suspicion this carrier really plan with Navalised Tejas from the beginning, however when already reach certain construction stages the Indian Navy then decide navalised Tejas just won't cut it. Seems that time construction already too far to change the elevator design. Sorry not trying to be like broken record on that Vikrant elevator, however looking to Indian media and online forums, seems many Indian enthusiasts public also wondering that.

 
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swerve

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Even its maybe based on the Project 1143 / Kiev / Vikramaditya design, 13 years is not bad for such a huge vessel, specially if its their first aircraft carrier.
Avio (for propulsion) & Fincantieri were hired to provide design assistance for Vikrant at the beginning of the project. They were paid tens of millions of dollars, so must have done a lot of work. Not based on any Russian ship, but Cavour.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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Yantar Shipyard plans to complete the Tushil first frigate of Project 11356 (Grigorovich Class) for India in 2023. Two frigates, the Tushil (former Admiral Butakov) and the Tamala (Admiral Istomin) are currently being built for India.

Two frigates will be built by Yantar and another two by Goa Shipyard Limited in India.
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group


This is already circling around India media since yesterday. Indian Navy Chief stating they are leaning on ordering second IAC1 design (current Vikrant) then rather proceed with IAC2. IAC2 supposedly this 50% bigger CATOBAR carrier.

The way I see this article seems Indian Navy think:

1. IAC1 already available working design, it is STOBAR thus provide commonality in operation environment with their current 2 carriers.

2. The cost of building and operating second IAC1 will be much more manageable then IAC2.

3. They are rather goes with building proven design, rather then 'gamble' on new design. Considering Vikrant time table actually streching to 18 years, and Indian historically protrected time table on developing new design, I can see why Indian navy prefer to goes ahead with second IAC1.

This does not mean they are stoping developing IAC2 design, but rather Indian Navy talk to their Industry, to mature the design and industrial expertise. While the Navy will go with proven design to shorten the time need.

Also I do sense in some of Navy comment on making pure indegenous capabilities, some concern to relies on US EMALS catapults if they go CATOBAR. Unlike China which goes CATOBAR with their own EMALS. Perhaps India feels at least with STOBAR they are not has to relies to any potential US political whims in future. In sense more Indian independent carrier policies.
 
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Sandhi Yudha

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The Il-38 was inducted into Indian Navy service from 1977 onwards and five aircraft were procured till 1983. And after 46 years of service they will be replaced by the Boeing P-8I Neptune, to be retired this year.
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group
Bureaucracy consider as life time career is not in India alone. In fact in most of Asian countries it is part of career that considered as "safe" for life. This is why cheating on public servant exam is hardly Indian phenomena only.

Problem if you got "safe for life" career is that you believe it is your entitlement. Thus people in Bureaucracy try to save the Bureaucracy and not try to improving it. Why you are improving it? as it can "rock" the boat, and you don't want to be one of those that rock your own safe house.

This is why improvements on Bureaucracy in many countries always face big hurdles. Usually only big shake up that can create that changes. Either from political changes or (in case of Military) something bad happens toward your overall performance (ie lossing a war).
 

T.C.P

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A BBC article on exam cheating for Indian govt jobs which are regarded as jobs for life.


I wonder about what impacts, if any, this has on quality of officers in the likes of the RIN, RIAF and Indian army.
Going off topic a bit, cannot speak for India. But here in Bangladesh for officers, they have to give a recruitment test similar to civil servant, but military has more factors involved.
To sit for the military officer exams, you have to have a decent highschool cgpa to even apply for the exams and unlike the civil servants, the physical requirements are very stringent. The harsh training (severe institutional bullying of juniors by seniors) weeds out the chaff. It might be easy to cheat in an exam, but unworthy cheaters are unlikely to have the mettle to pass the training and withstand the bullying/hazing.

I am guessing that in India it is similar as well. The number of officer inductees in comparison to eligible population is very very small. So the competition is very fierce. Regarding politics, this is where India probably does much better than Bangladesh. They have never had a coup and the military is not as politically motivated. In Bangladesh during the final rounds of induction,you can get disqualified due to your familial political affiliations. If the BAL in charge, then they will not admit people with proven BNP links, and vice versa. Also during the final stages, the military intelligence does a security check up of all your immediate family members.
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group

Not new information, but more Russian (in here Rubin design) effort to keep Indian market open. It is been speculate before by Indian media. Altough Russia before seems more interested to offer upgrade packages for Kilos.


Thus seems in this Aero India events, Russia now doing different approach to keep their traditional market on Indian Submarines, not being taken by French, Germany or even South Korean.
 

Scott Elaurant

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German leader Olaf Schulz is in India to discuss deal for Germany to help India build its next six diesel subs. This would be under the Project 75 programme which requires transfer of AIP technology. Naval Group withdrew and Russia and Spain are reported as not under consideratio. So the choice is down to Germany (TKMS) and Korea (Daewoo).

This is confirmed by Indian reporting.
 
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John Fedup

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German leader Olaf Schulz is in India to discuss deal for Germany to help India build its next six diesel subs. This would be under the Project 75 programme which requires transfer of AIP technology. Naval Group withdrew and Russia and Spain are reported as not under consideratio. So the choice is down to Germany (TKMS) and Korea (Daewoo).

This is confirmed by Indian reporting.
I assume Japan isn’t interested, likely for a variety of
reasons, including the Indian procurement bureaucracy.
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group

Put it in here, cause it is for carrier borne Rafale M deal. Frenchie really now in hot trend with Rafale export market theoughout Middle East and Asia. Still Boeing do hope for Indian deal to prolong ShorNet production line. Seems Rafale M will have prolong production line as carrier borne fighters.
 
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