Russian Air Force News & Discussion

RoyZZConnor

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So, the PAK-DP / MiG-31 replacement program is officially started now, after all those years of rumours.
2028 is quite optimistic in my opinion, but luckily the MiG-31BM update will keep the fleet flying until after 2030.

Why would they need a dedicated interceptor? IMO Su-57 is more than sufficient for interception with the new engines which enable super cruise. Not to mention the R-37M missiles which has 400 km range and due to Su-57's internal weapons bays which are larger than that of any other 5th gen jets fits it.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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Why would they need a dedicated interceptor? IMO Su-57 is more than sufficient for interception with the new engines which enable super cruise. Not to mention the R-37M missiles which has 400 km range and due to Su-57's internal weapons bays which are larger than that of any other 5th gen jets fits it.
Good point, i have no idea.
Maybe the Su-57 is too sophisticated and expensive to replace all the Su-27 and MiG-31 and they just need an interceptor with the performance of the MiG-31 without being multipurpose. Its also unclear how stealthy this MiG-41 becomes, maybe less than the Su-57.

Maybe another DT-member knows more about.
 

Feanor

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Good point, i have no idea.
Maybe the Su-57 is too sophisticated and expensive to replace all the Su-27 and MiG-31 and they just need an interceptor with the performance of the MiG-31 without being multipurpose. Its also unclear how stealthy this MiG-41 becomes, maybe less than the Su-57.

Maybe another DT-member knows more about.
The entire program is unclear at this point. I'm not even sure it's a new aircraft, and not just a reworked MiG-31 with say new engines and avionics, and some fuselage updates.

To throw more things into the mix, the MiG-31 is currently the only carrier for the Kinzhal hypersonic ALBM, and the carrier currently undergoing testing for Russia's ASAT missile, likely planned for use with the Krona complex, but maybe not. It maybe that Russia wants to retain the unique high-end capabilities offered by an aircraft like the MiG-31 for the other things it could be used for. Note how despite a huge advantage in tech (US) and funds (US and China) and active development from both, neither side has produced a Kinzhal equivalent, and not for lack of trying. Part of it, I suspect, was the availability of the Iskander missile family, but part of it was the availability of the launch platform.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
Why would they need a dedicated interceptor? IMO Su-57 is more than sufficient for interception with the new engines which enable super cruise. Not to mention the R-37M missiles which has 400 km range and due to Su-57's internal weapons bays which are larger than that of any other 5th gen jets fits it.
I am guessing the J-20 weapons bay would be similar in size to the Su-57 based on the size of the J-20.
 

RoyZZConnor

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I am guessing the J-20 weapons bay would be similar in size to the Su-57 based on the size of the J-20.
There was a source I read before that says Su-57 has bigger weapons bays than any other 5th gener. It makes sense considering Su-57 can fit Kh-59MK2 which is bigger than R-37M. J-20 was designed as a fighter in mind, whereas Su-57 was designed as a bomber in mind.

 

Feanor

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Sandhi Yudha

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The first Tu-160 with four new NK-32-02 engines and other upgraded equipment was flown from the Kazan Aviation Plant to the Tupolev flight test and development base in Zhukovsky, near Moscow, where it will perform flight trails.


If im not wrong this is the new highly modernized Tu-160M2 version.
 

Feanor

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The first Tu-160 with four new NK-32-02 engines and other upgraded equipment was flown from the Kazan Aviation Plant to the Tupolev flight test and development base in Zhukovsky, near Moscow, where it will perform flight trails.


If im not wrong this is the new highly modernized Tu-160M2 version.
No, it's the Tu-160M. It's the upgrade program for existing Tu-160s. The M2 are supposed to be the new builds. The first flight is supposed to take place, iirc later this year.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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So it seems that the deliveries of the Okhotnik heavy UCAV to the Russian Armed Forces are scheduled to begin in 2024. Many new defence equipment are sent to Syria after introduction, i wonder if the Russians also dare to test the Okhotnik there.


Latest update of the Il-112V.
Although there are some weight reductions, a second flight two years after the first flight, is in my opinion an indication of missmanagement.
 
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Feanor

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Updates.

A program for the construction of new aircraft shelters is progressing. The VVS in the past 20 years has been notorious for not investing in this type of infrastructure, and only in the past few years has this changed. Note these aren't hardened shelters, merely hangars.


Yak-130 production is set to continue with the AVMF looking to replace some of their older L-39s.


A new factory for UAV production is being built at Dubna, likely primarily for the new Orion at least for now. However the same company is also developing a companion set of a larger Loyal Wingman-ish UAV and a set of smaller loitering munitions to work with the larger UAV as a controller. Kronshtadt is also developing another larger UCAV, the Sirius.


The large Altius UAV is set to conduct weapons trials this summer.


At least one An-140 has been redeveloped into an aerial-photography aircraft. It apparently also carries some equipment for laser topography and even scanning seabeds.


The MoD has confirmed the project for the PAK-DA next generation bomber. It will be subsonic, a flying wing, and with an emphasis on LO and long-range weapons. None of this is news, except for the final confirmation. State trials are slated for 2026, and induction for 2027, which is very optimistic.


A look at weapons loadouts for the Su-57. The full air loadout carries 8 RVV-SD (mid-range AAMs) in internal bays, 2 RVV-MD in internal bays (short-range AAMs) and 6 RVV-BD (long range R-37Ms) on external pylons. The anti-ground loadout shows 8 KAB-500s, 4 Kh-28s, 4 Kh-58UShK, 4 or 2 Kh-59MK2. The infographic mentions the new Izdelie-180, and Izdelie-810.


The S-500 which is set to begin deliveries in 2022, may involve entirely new formations (regiments) designed for it specifically.


A look at the new Izdelie-300M, a short range AAM designed to replace the RVV-SD.


The new Buk-M3 completed some sort of experimental trials in mountain conditions against UAVs. What this means exactly is unclear, but it's highly likely that this is a response to the NKR war. The trials included use of EW.

 

ngatimozart

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Found this video on May 9th Victory Day celebration in Red Square. This video for aerial parade section only. Nice review on Russia latest on aerial power.
There are videos of the full parade including the ground vehicles which are lead in by 10 T-34 tanks. I quite like watching military pageantry and ceremony so usually watch the Russian Victory Day parade. Shame I can't understand the language.
 

Feanor

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There are videos of the full parade including the ground vehicles which are lead in by 10 T-34 tanks. I quite like watching military pageantry and ceremony so usually watch the Russian Victory Day parade. Shame I can't understand the language.
There was some interesting stuff in this years' parade, but mostly for ground forces. I'll do a summary of new things that were shown when I get a chance. Interestingly enough Moscow wasn't the main place where we saw new vehicles.
 

Feanor

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There appears to be confirmation that the Izdelie 305 light multi-purpose guided misslie for helos is also part of the Hermes-A system, the one proposed for Land Forces. If this is correct, and Land Forces accept it into service, this will be a big step forward. Currently the KA-52s use the Vikhr-1 beam-rider, the Mi-28N uses the Ataka beam-rider, and ground forces are simultaneously fielding Kornet and Khrizantemas, a ridiculous constellation of overlapping and sometimes identical capabilities. There appears to be two variants of the missile, including a variant with 25km range, and another with 100km range. Given that it's a two-step missile, I suspect that a lighter second-stage only is meant primarily for helo use, and a second heavier two-stage variant. I'm not sure if the longer-range variant is meant for helo use, some of the materials presented imply that.

It will be interesting to see what happens, and if there is any relationship between the Hermes-A and OKR Baykal, for a future ground-based tracked vehicle carrying multiple NLOS GMs.

 

Sandhi Yudha

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The Kh-22 is developed in the '60s, but still it is a high capable anti-ship missile, specially the new Kh-32 variant can cause serious headaches for air defences systems of naval forces from the opponent.

The deployment of the three Tu-22M3 was made possible because of a recent renovation of Khmeimim's/Humaymim's second runway and the installation of new lighting, signalling, and radio equipment, the runway has also been extended.

Satellite imagery shows the western runway, which was marked as closed in early 2016, has been resurfaced, with new markings appearing in early May. It was also extended from 2,000 m to 3,010 m with longer safety areas at both ends. Humaymim's other runway is slightly shorter, the marked area on the eastern runway is 2,500 m long, although the paving continues another 300 m to the south. Both runways are in the 17/35 direction.


 
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It seems KXK (Komsomolsk na Amur) gets no Civilian traffic! Does this mean that the Airport is closed for Security reasons? Or that Komsomulsk is operating as a defacto (or declared) closed city?

I can imagine with the Sukhoi Aircraft Manufacturing being based in the City security concerns would be paramount. But the facility is located at a different Airport (UHKD) and there seems to be no alternative Airports for Civilian Traffic nearby (correct me if I am wrong).

It must be virtually unprecedented for such a large and isolated Russian City, over 260 000 people according to Wikopedia, to have no regular Air Service. I would have thought the Aircraft Manufacturing Plant alone would necessitate many Business related flights between MOW and KXK. Not to mention the local population needing to access the outside world for Education, Medical Trips and Holidays. KHV is about a 5 hour drive away.

Can anyone explain this gap in the network?
 

Sandhi Yudha

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It seems KXK (Komsomolsk na Amur) gets no Civilian traffic! Does this mean that the Airport is closed for Security reasons? Or that Komsomulsk is operating as a defacto (or declared) closed city?

I can imagine with the Sukhoi Aircraft Manufacturing being based in the City security concerns would be paramount. But the facility is located at a different Airport (UHKD) and there seems to be no alternative Airports for Civilian Traffic nearby (correct me if I am wrong).

It must be virtually unprecedented for such a large and isolated Russian City, over 260 000 people according to Wikopedia, to have no regular Air Service. I would have thought the Aircraft Manufacturing Plant alone would necessitate many Business related flights between MOW and KXK. Not to mention the local population needing to access the outside world for Education, Medical Trips and Holidays. KHV is about a 5 hour drive away.

Can anyone explain this gap in the network?
I think Feanor is here the one who can answer your question, but from which i understand KXK is actually a military airbase and KHV is a much larger civilian airport.

Besides that Khabarovsk is directly (or with transfer) connected with Komsomolsk na Amur via the Komsomolsk-Dezhnyovka railway line.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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