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ngatimozart

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StingrayOZ

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Yeh, doesn't conclusively answer anything other than the plane hit the deck and must have been a fairly dramatic incident. More dramatic than the image of the plane floating in the drink seemed to imply. They must be pretty rugged planes.

Given its the first official deployment of the C's writing it down to pilot error would be a big call at this stage, we don't know anything about power, speed, decent etc. Landing aids are great when they are proven and sorted, but fighting a computer that is trying to crash you can be harrowing. All that technology didn't stop the RN plane from trying to take off with an engine cover on, computers didn't see that one coming.

Often ejection can end a pilots career simply due to health reasons. Exploding out of a crashing plane and then landing in the sea (then for example on getting caught on the skijump and dragged through the ocean at 30kts at the front of 65,000t carrier until you cut yourself loose and then into the wash hopefully clearing the props), isn't always as safe or easy as some people make it sound.
 

John Newman

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For as bad as it was with seven crew injured and one F-35C lost, I think the USN dodged a pretty big bullet:


From what I can gather from the video, the aircraft appeared to have ridden the angle deck pretty much down the centre line before going over the edge.

If it had veered to the right it would have no doubt taken out a number of parked aircraft and more of the deck crew too.

Very lucky indeed.
 

John Fedup

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This article is an update on the Columbia program. Seems to be progressing well including EB’s new production facility.
 

John Fedup

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The USN and USMC will test the light carrier concept with the USS Tripoli. Twenty F-35Bs will be on board. As an amateur observer, the flight deck looks challenging and congested but if workable the capability will be a welcome addition. There will be many navies watching.
 

JohnJT

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I hope they scrap the whole Freedom class.


The class has been a disaster from the start. Mechanical issues, manning problems and high operating costs. The Independence class vessels can do all the LCS tasks, but replace all the Freedom class with Constellation class frigates.
 
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Sandhi Yudha

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An update about the LCS-program

And also here some budget cuts.
Under the Navy’s proposal, it would buy just three of the 13 Flight IIs and then end the program, shrinking the amphibious fleet dramatically as the Whidbey Island-class dock landing ships hit the end of their service lives and are decommissioned.
 

FormerDirtDart

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... And also here some budget cuts.
Under the Navy’s proposal, it would buy just three of the 13 Flight IIs and then end the program, shrinking the amphibious fleet dramatically as the Whidbey Island-class dock landing ships hit the end of their service lives and are decommissioned.
So, 3 Flt II, then burn the 5 remaining Whidbey Islands, and 5 Harpers Ferry's out to the end of their (relatively recent) SLEP service life in '38 While likely using that Flt II long term money for LAWs and whatever new amphibious ship project they dream up in the next 10 years
 

Sandhi Yudha

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So, 3 Flt II, then burn the 5 remaining Whidbey Islands, and 5 Harpers Ferry's out to the end of their (relatively recent) SLEP service life in '38 While likely using that Flt II long term money for LAWs and whatever new amphibious ship project they dream up in the next 10 years
LAW...you mean the LX(R) / LSD(X) class of a planned new amphibious warfare ships based on the San Antonio Class, or another program?
 

FormerDirtDart

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LAW...you mean the LX(R) / LSD(X) class of a planned new amphibious warfare ships based on the San Antonio Class, or another program?
I meant the Light Amphibious Warship (LAW), of which the USN & USMC envision procuring 24 to 35.
Fincantieri, Austal USA, VT Halter Marine, Bollinger and TAI Engineers were selected for concept design contracts last summer. An RFP for detail design and construction contracts is expected to issued in the coming weeks, with contracts planned to be awarded in FY23.
The San Antonio Flt II is the LX(R)/LSD replacement.
 

Flexson

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So, 3 Flt II, then burn the 5 remaining Whidbey Islands, and 5 Harpers Ferry's out to the end of their (relatively recent) SLEP service life in '38 While likely using that Flt II long term money for LAWs and whatever new amphibious ship project they dream up in the next 10 years
There are 7 remaining Whidbey Island's and 4 Harpers Ferry's (only 4 built) and Navy has requested to decommission 4 of them as part of its 2023 budget.


But yes, seems like they are planning on exchanging those 10 LPD's for the 24-35 LAW's. Will be interesting to see just how capable the LAW's is.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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Sadly one person died, out of three onboard, but luckily the two other crew members were rescued.
This accident was on 30 March.
 

Rob c

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Sadly one person died, out of three onboard, but luckily the two other crew members were rescued.
This accident was on 30 March.
Interesting, both propellers appear to be feathered.
 

Rob c

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Feather them before ditching?
Possibly but why would you and if you still had power why would you ditch? But it also could be the age old problem of having a engine fail and fettering the wrong prop. this has been the cause of more than one accident in the past when the cockpit work load suddenly increases, another option could be that during single engine approach training the other engine failed.
 
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