The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

[KipPotapych]

First of all, it is not up to me or you to decide who deserves what and decisions of any sovereign state. You answered your own statement. It is not up to you what Ukraine determines it needs to do to defend it's national sovereignty. If Ukraine feels that allowing Russia to profit in any way that allows it to prolong it's imperalist ambitions to the detriment of Ukraines very survival then they are absolutley in their right to hold an intervention.

Like I said, amazing stuff. We basically let Ukraine decide how Germany, France, Italy, Canada, -insert name-, and, furthermore, NATO conduct their own business and we have no problems with Ukraine a foreign state attacking and destroying anyone’s infrastructure as they see fit. Makes a lot of sense, of course. And par for the course.

Imagine, a country attacking multiple NATO members with no repercussions whatsoever because they are defending their sovereignty, while having a complete disregard for the sovereignty of the said members of the Alliance. And the latter is completely irrelevant too.

 

[rsemmes]

Germany and Japan were broke in 1945 , but managed to continue war production.

So...
How long before Russia goes actually broke?
How long after that can Russia manage to continue war production and keep fighting in Ukraine?
If after all that China decides to finance Russia, how long can Russia "keep in the fight"?

In short, how many years does NATO (Ukraine) has to "hold"?

 

[rsemmes]

It is not up to you what Ukraine determines it needs to do to defend it's national sovereignty.

So, it is not up to you what Russia determines it needs to do to defend it's national sovereignty or whatever high horse statement Russia decides to sell.
Correct?

 

[rsemmes]

Even the most casual reader will understand the situational moral differences between UKR and Iran.

Not the point, but yes, Iran is not sinking boats in the Caribbean.
Do you want to lead this forum to "morals", are you sure?

Why should the west support Iran a terrorist state much like Russia?

As far as I can remember, Iran was not financing the Taliban, nor the Contra.
Not the point, again.

 

[deyhere]

Ukraine is not winning the war by any margin, just look at the battle field, if things continue like this into 2023, Ukraine is done
Ukraine is not winning the war by any margin, just look at the battle field, if things continue like this into 2024, Ukraine is done
Ukraine is not winning the war by any margin, just look at the battle field, if things continue like this into 2025, Ukraine is done
Ukraine is not winning the war by any margin, just look at the battle field, if things continue like this into 2026, Ukraine is done

UKR can stop fighting and be another vassal state of RU any time it wants. They choose otherwise.

I eagerly await the tired response that many UKR have fled the conflict.

The problem is, the Russians are not stopping and i don't see any indication that they will stop any time soon. Ukrainian long range drone strikes into Russia, is hurting the Russians but not enough to halt the Russians.
Russia can do this for a long time from the looks of it and they don't seem to be in a hurry.

Lets see who starts begging for a ceasefire first.

 

[deyhere]

Use the "Preview" before you post, to help the formatting.

Thank you

 

[rsemmes]

The key is that I try and read other peoples posts, you do not, nor are you willing to try and provide proper context for the different points.

But you already know that. You could of taken the time to properly format your post in question so it could foster a proper exchange of view points, as requested, but instead....you just post nothing of consequence.

When, for example, have you recently posted anything of informational value, such as my recent posts on the strike on the Boikiy ?

You are of course free to post as you see fit. I am not a moderator. It is not my job to force you to be relevant.

By the "ad hominen" I guess you mean CSIS, right?

 

[rsemmes]

Going back to the 'In short, how many years does NATO (Ukraine) has to "hold"?'...

12:38
En Ukraine, des attaques de drones russes ont fait au moins trois morts samedi
En Ukraine, dans l’oblast de Zaporijia, une attaque de drones russes contre des « infrastructures essentielles et industrielles » a fait deux morts, selon le chef de l’administration militaire locale, Ivan Fedorov.
Dans celui de Dnipropetrovsk, visée « près de 30 fois avec des drones et de l’artillerie », une personne a perdu la vie et trois ont été blessées dans le district de Kryvy Rih, a expliqué le chef de l’administration militaire régionale, Oleksandr Hanja, sur Telegram.
Les services de secours ukrainiens ont également fait état d’attaques de drones sur la ville d’Odessa, sans faire de blessé.

Client Challenge

Russia didn't hit a vessel in dry dock, Ukraine doesn't have any, only hit 'essential infrastructure'. Maybe, instead of pointing at one spectacular hit it would be more accurate to measure how many hits can be delivered and how many can be taken?
Maybe pointing out at what gets hit instead of at how many Ukrainian children Ukraine has killed since 2022? Or since 2014? Unless, of course, we want to call it "collateral damage" only when it is an Ukrainian stray drone; hitting a Romanian port for example.

Edit
16:49
L’armée ukrainienne dit avoir touché deux sites militaires voisins de Saint-Pétersbourg et une raffinerie dans le kraï de Krasnodar

Client Challenge

People vs places, isn't that like distorting the reality?

 

[swerve]

you have not proven my opinion false but you keep saying i know nothing about the topic, where does Ukraine get money from? intelligence? weaponry? advice? missiles? who pays the civil servants? look at anthony bliken openly planning Ukraine offensive

Do you have a problem understanding English? Blinken wasn't "openly planning [a] Urainian offensive". He spoke in general terms of a Ukrainian counter-offensive which had already happened, & the long term aim of a just peace.

I see that when you're obviously wrong, such as your false claims about foreigners working in arms factories in Ukraine, or Ukraine not making weapons, you continue to claim you're right, while changing tack.