The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

[Redshift]

What point of the Istanbul negotiations was Ukraine not "remaining an independent political entity"? Or in any other of the negotiations?
Crimea is still Russia, can Russia claim to have won the war? "??? Are you being serious ?" And I am not saying that he is serious, mind.

Can Germany do anything regarding the terrorist attack carried out by Ukraine against its energy supply?
Should the West start sending missiles to Iran? For its right to defend itself, I mean. Maybe to Lebanon?
So many questions... And so easy to find one simple answer to satisfy yourself...

One thing is true, there is no "domestic pressure" in Ukraine (only deserters), they are out of the country. Sweden wants to kick them (men) back to Ukraine.

Ukraine war briefing: Ukrainian men should be turned back from EU to fight, says Swedish minister

‘The war needs to be fought and won – essential more men stay’ in Ukraine, says Johan Forssell; Zelenskyy writes open letter to Putin. What we know on day 1,563

www.theguardian.com

To summarise.

"The west" should do nothing.

 

[swerve]

its just my opinion and i am open to learning.

Yes, Ukraine makes all this equipment you listed and more but where did they get the money from? Ukraine is broke and very corrupt, Andriy Yermak, Zelenskys former chief of staff and right hand man was arrested for money laundering, that says it all.
i will bet my last that most of these production lines you mention are being manned by westerners, if not Ukrainians will steal all of the money and nothing will be done.

Zelensky's ex-chief of staff in court as Ukraine corruption probe escalates

Andriy Yermak was named by Ukraine's two anti-corruption agencies as a suspect in a money-laundering scheme.

www.bbc.co.uk

Russia pretends that it doesn't see that the extend of western support to Ukraine is enormous, but if you follow Russian media, you will see that Putin is coming under some serious pressure to act directly against western supporters and thats really bad.
for now Kirill Dmitriev is still negotiating building a bridge from Chukotka to Alaska, maybe that will bring peace

Putin envoy says U.S., Russia will build Chukotka–Alaska tunnel

Kirill Dmitriev, a special envoy of Russian dictator Vladimir Putin and head of the Russian Direct Investment Fund, said on June 5, that Russia and the United States will sign an agreement to begin designing a tunnel between Chukotka and Alaska.

english.nv.ua

"i will bet my last that most of these production lines you mention are being manned by westerners, if not Ukrainians will steal all of the money and nothing will be done."
You lost that bet before you made it. The production lines have been running for a long time, & are entirely Ukrainian. They've produced, & are continuing to produce, very large numbers of drones, & quite large numbers of other weapons - which are being used. It's not a matter of debate, but solidly established fact.

Westerners aren't working in Ukraine. Why would they? It's dangerous & the pay's low.

Again, you hold a false opinion despite knowing nothing about the topic.

Yes, Ukraine suffers from corruption. It used to be estimated to be even more corrupt than Russia. But for quite a long time those who look deepest into these things have been saying it's getting less corrupt, & Russia's been going the other way, & It's now much less corrupt than Russia. As for Yermak - he's being investigated. What's happening in Russia?

A bridge from Chukotka to Alaska? That's insane. I can only think of one use for such a project, i.e. to corruptly siphon off money for Putin's cronies. A bridge, tunnel, or combination is technically feasible. There are intermediate islands, & the water's not too deep. But there's nothing either side to connect to. Linking it to places that might generate traffic for it would cost trillions. Lunacy!

 

[vikingatespam]

What point of the Istanbul negotiations was Ukraine not "remaining an independent political entity"? Or in any other of the negotiations?
Crimea is still Russia, can Russia claim to have won the war? "??? Are you being serious ?" And I am not saying that he is serious, mind.

Can Germany do anything regarding the terrorist attack carried out by Ukraine against its energy supply?
Should the West start sending missiles to Iran? For its right to defend itself, I mean. Maybe to Lebanon?
So many questions... And so easy to find one simple answer to satisfy yourself...

One thing is true, there is no "domestic pressure" in Ukraine (only deserters), they are out of the country. Sweden wants to kick them (men) back to Ukraine.

Ukraine war briefing: Ukrainian men should be turned back from EU to fight, says Swedish minister

‘The war needs to be fought and won – essential more men stay’ in Ukraine, says Johan Forssell; Zelenskyy writes open letter to Putin. What we know on day 1,563

www.theguardian.com

That was an amazing "stream of consciousness" post, that defies context and logic. Do you care to format that into something comprehensible ?