The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

[Redshift]

What point of the Istanbul negotiations was Ukraine not "remaining an independent political entity"? Or in any other of the negotiations?
Crimea is still Russia, can Russia claim to have won the war? "??? Are you being serious ?" And I am not saying that he is serious, mind.

Can Germany do anything regarding the terrorist attack carried out by Ukraine against its energy supply?
Should the West start sending missiles to Iran? For its right to defend itself, I mean. Maybe to Lebanon?
So many questions... And so easy to find one simple answer to satisfy yourself...

One thing is true, there is no "domestic pressure" in Ukraine (only deserters), they are out of the country. Sweden wants to kick them (men) back to Ukraine.

Ukraine war briefing: Ukrainian men should be turned back from EU to fight, says Swedish minister

‘The war needs to be fought and won – essential more men stay’ in Ukraine, says Johan Forssell; Zelenskyy writes open letter to Putin. What we know on day 1,563

www.theguardian.com

To summarise.

"The west" should do nothing.

 

[swerve]

its just my opinion and i am open to learning.

Yes, Ukraine makes all this equipment you listed and more but where did they get the money from? Ukraine is broke and very corrupt, Andriy Yermak, Zelenskys former chief of staff and right hand man was arrested for money laundering, that says it all.
i will bet my last that most of these production lines you mention are being manned by westerners, if not Ukrainians will steal all of the money and nothing will be done.

Zelensky's ex-chief of staff in court as Ukraine corruption probe escalates

Andriy Yermak was named by Ukraine's two anti-corruption agencies as a suspect in a money-laundering scheme.

www.bbc.co.uk

Russia pretends that it doesn't see that the extend of western support to Ukraine is enormous, but if you follow Russian media, you will see that Putin is coming under some serious pressure to act directly against western supporters and thats really bad.
for now Kirill Dmitriev is still negotiating building a bridge from Chukotka to Alaska, maybe that will bring peace

Putin envoy says U.S., Russia will build Chukotka–Alaska tunnel

Kirill Dmitriev, a special envoy of Russian dictator Vladimir Putin and head of the Russian Direct Investment Fund, said on June 5, that Russia and the United States will sign an agreement to begin designing a tunnel between Chukotka and Alaska.

english.nv.ua

"i will bet my last that most of these production lines you mention are being manned by westerners, if not Ukrainians will steal all of the money and nothing will be done."
You lost that bet before you made it. The production lines have been running for a long time, & are entirely Ukrainian. They've produced, & are continuing to produce, very large numbers of drones, & quite large numbers of other weapons - which are being used. It's not a matter of debate, but solidly established fact.

Westerners aren't working in Ukraine. Why would they? It's dangerous & the pay's low.

Again, you hold a false opinion despite knowing nothing about the topic.

Yes, Ukraine suffers from corruption. It used to be estimated to be even more corrupt than Russia. But for quite a long time those who look deepest into these things have been saying it's getting less corrupt, & Russia's been going the other way, & It's now much less corrupt than Russia. As for Yermak - he's being investigated. What's happening in Russia?

A bridge from Chukotka to Alaska? That's insane. I can only think of one use for such a project, i.e. to corruptly siphon off money for Putin's cronies. A bridge, tunnel, or combination is technically feasible. There are intermediate islands, & the water's not too deep. But there's nothing either side to connect to. Linking it to places that might generate traffic for it would cost trillions. Lunacy!

 

[vikingatespam]

What point of the Istanbul negotiations was Ukraine not "remaining an independent political entity"? Or in any other of the negotiations?
Crimea is still Russia, can Russia claim to have won the war? "??? Are you being serious ?" And I am not saying that he is serious, mind.

Can Germany do anything regarding the terrorist attack carried out by Ukraine against its energy supply?
Should the West start sending missiles to Iran? For its right to defend itself, I mean. Maybe to Lebanon?
So many questions... And so easy to find one simple answer to satisfy yourself...

One thing is true, there is no "domestic pressure" in Ukraine (only deserters), they are out of the country. Sweden wants to kick them (men) back to Ukraine.

Ukraine war briefing: Ukrainian men should be turned back from EU to fight, says Swedish minister

‘The war needs to be fought and won – essential more men stay’ in Ukraine, says Johan Forssell; Zelenskyy writes open letter to Putin. What we know on day 1,563

www.theguardian.com

That was an amazing "stream of consciousness" post, that defies context and logic. Do you care to format that into something comprehensible ?

 

[deyhere]

Besides the questionable statement, “Only boots on the ground” is a strange way to dismiss the people paying the highest price in this war.

what's questionable about this statement, paying the prize to protect EU or NATO?

 

[rsemmes]

To summarise.

"The west" should do nothing.

To summarize, the West should help Iran in his right to self-defence?
Maybe?

 

[deyhere]

"Free stuff is bad" and "lose dignity and respect" sounds like something from Moscow. This does not constitute a serious argument.

How much "free" is too much ? Should the west stop sending air defense missiles ?

UKR is winning the war right now, by remaining an independant political entity. That isnt the same as triumphantly marching into Moscow, but it is a victory never the less.

Ukraine is not winning the war by any margin, just look at the battle field, if things continue like this for another 4 years, Ukraine is done.

 

[deyhere]

Germany and Japan were broke in 1945 , but managed to continue war production. Th UKR domestic military production is well known.



Corruption problems ? Sure. You know which country is more corrupt ? Russia. And Ukraine, unlike Russia, is actually taking steps to reduce corruption. Your example of Yermak being arrested shows that.



Your last...ruble ? If you think there are hordes of British, French and Germans on Ukrainain production lines, I guess you also think NATO generals are being killed every time in RU missile strikes.

https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/russia-killed-nine-nato-officers-and-dozens-of-ukrainian-soldiers-in-chernihiv/

RU isnt pretending....they just cant do anything about it. The domestic pressure Putin is coming under, is stop stop the war.



??? Are you being serious ?

Germany and Japan were broke in 1945 , but managed to continue war production. Th UKR domestic military production is well known.



Corruption problems ? Sure. You know which country is more corrupt ? Russia. And Ukraine, unlike Russia, is actually taking steps to reduce corruption. Your example of Yermak being arrested shows that.



Your last...ruble ? If you think there are hordes of British, French and Germans on Ukrainain production lines, I guess you also think NATO generals are being killed every time in RU missile strikes.

https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/russia-killed-nine-nato-officers-and-dozens-of-ukrainian-soldiers-in-chernihiv/

RU isnt pretending....they just cant do anything about it. The domestic pressure Putin is coming under, is stop stop the war.



??? Are you being serious ?

Russia is corrupt, no doubt, i wouldn't give them my money by any chance, Ukraine is also very corrupt, why give them all that money? don't make sense excerpt your also stealing with them.

oh yes, am dead serious, kirill dmitriev has been talking about building a tunnel linking Russia to US, he made these statements again yesterday at the st petersburg economic forum.

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

the peace tunnel

 

[deyhere]

"i will bet my last that most of these production lines you mention are being manned by westerners, if not Ukrainians will steal all of the money and nothing will be done."
You lost that bet before you made it. The production lines have been running for a long time, & are entirely Ukrainian. They've produced, & are continuing to produce, very large numbers of drones, & quite large numbers of other weapons - which are being used. It's not a matter of debate, but solidly established fact.

Westerners aren't working in Ukraine. Why would they? It's dangerous & the pay's low.

Again, you hold a false opinion despite knowing nothing about the topic.

Yes, Ukraine suffers from corruption. It used to be estimated to be even more corrupt than Russia. But for quite a long time those who look deepest into these things have been saying it's getting less corrupt, & Russia's been going the other way, & It's now much less corrupt than Russia. As for Yermak - he's being investigated. What's happening in Russia?

A bridge from Chukotka to Alaska? That's insane. I can only think of one use for such a project, i.e. to corruptly siphon off money for Putin's cronies. A bridge, tunnel, or combination is technically feasible. There are intermediate islands, & the water's not too deep. But there's nothing either side to connect to. Linking it to places that might generate traffic for it would cost trillions. Lunacy!

you have not proven my opinion false but you keep saying i know nothing about the topic, where does Ukraine get money from? intelligence? weaponry? advice? missiles? who pays the civil servants? look at anthony bliken openly planning Ukraine offensive