Russian Air Force News & Discussion

SolarWind

Active Member
There are those in the west who claim that the thrust vectoring capability looks very nice at airshows but has no tactical use in combat, especially aerial combat. However the Russians have different CONOPS to the US military, RAF etc., and they aren't as enamoured with long range engagement as the USAF / USN, being quite happy with a merge and knife fight if the opportunity presents itself. That's where they see thrust vectoring as giving them an advantage. They also use it to shorten landing and take off distances. I gleaned all of this from the three videos on the Su-57, two of which were posted by @Ananda in post #1,925 and the video I posted in my post #1938.There's a few big ifs in the Su-75 Checkmate program, with the biggest being will Sukhoi deliver on what it's promised? Time will tell.

However the concept itself isn't silly and one that probably should be seriously considered in the west, most likely the US. Take the current technology from the F-35 and utilise it for a 5th generation light fighter. There is no need to invent any new technologies because you would be acquiring MOTS and COTS to build it. Costs can be reduced by building a digital twin. Something to think about.
The Russian thrust vectoring technology is contrary to low observability from behind and this is one of the arguments against it. If I understand correctly, the F-22 has some thrust vectoring which is 2-directional unlike the Russian 360 degree thrust vectoring, but the F-22 also has very low observability from behind unlike the Russian Su-57. So the choice in this trade off seems based on tactical doctrine.
 
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Ananda

The Bunker Group
Personally, I think an F16V might be sufficient to fill the niche, but alas, this is the Russian Air Force thread. ;-)
I spend some time after work to scan photos, articles, videos on this planes. Whether in this threads or other forums and on line sources. This plane really creating large buzz on defense media and enthusiats Internationally.

What I can sense the aim on this Fighthers:
1. Provide more economical 5th gen (at least Russian approach on 5 th gen),
2. Create export attractions (from Russia traditional customers), since they know Su-57 it's just to costly for most of them,
3. Provide light aircraft with enough capabilities on taking potential adversaries latest generations. At least on the defense area that still relatively manageable.
4. With economics stand point and technological packages that can be put on, it's hope to make this aircraft more available and operable toward widespread operational AB.

Thus basically, it's 21st century Mig 21 or F-16 A/B.
 

Boagrius

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You've got to hand it to the Russians - they know how to make nice looking jets. This has to be some sort of record though, because if I didn't know better I'd say they've managed the impossible - taken the X-32 and made it look downright pretty :p ;)
 
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ngatimozart

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According to Fox news the Checkmate can fly at 2c - twice the speed of light. Now according to Einstein's Theory of Relativity that's not possible and modern science accepts that at the moment because it hasn't yet been disproven. That's why relativity is a theory and not a law. Anyway such basicscientific facts as that wouldn't concern Fox, or most of the modern media in the slightest.

 

Sandhi Yudha

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|"While the Kh-59MKM airframe retains the same airframe dimensions as the earlier Kh-59MK, the absence of a seeker section has enabled the inclusion of a heavier warhead, a KTRV spokesperson told Janes ."|

As a TV-guided missile it should have some kind of daylight camera/seeker, right?
 

Feanor

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It's been a bad week for Russian pilots. A Be-200 firefighting aircraft belonging to the MoD crashed in Turkey while on loan fighting the wildfires there. And the Il-112 prototype crashed. In each case the pilots died. R.I.P.


For the Il-112V this is another black mark in an already deeply problematic program plagued with technical difficulties, delays, and cost overruns. Nonetheless it's quite likely the program will forge ahead, probably with a corrected timetable, since there isn't really an alternative.

For the Be-200, the type has actively been loaned out (rented out really) to many countries around the world including Indonesia, Portugal, Greece, Turkey, Italy, and Israel. So far there was only one previous incident involving the type, where it clipped the trees while fighting fire in Portugal, but the aircraft managed to land safely. The aircraft so far has only had one foreign operator ("foreign" really, it's Azerbaijan) though a contract was allegedly signed with China back in 2017, and negotiations are on-going with a number of other countries.
 
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ngatimozart

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Yes, I saw video last night of the IL-112V crash. It appears to be an out of control starboard engine fire that may have found its way into a fuel tank. Crew didn't stand a chance. To low to bail out if they were wearing chutes, so had to ride it in. May they RIP.
 

KiwiRob

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It's been a bad week for Russian pilots. A Be-200 firefighting aircraft belonging to the MoD crashed in Turkey while on loan fighting the wildfires there. And the Il-112 prototype crashed. In each case the pilots died. R.I.P.


For the Il-112V this is another black mark in an already deeply problematic program plagued with technical difficulties, delays, and cost overruns. Nonetheless it's quite likely the program will forge ahead, probably with a corrected timetable, since there isn't really an alternative.

For the Be-200, the type has actively been loaned out (rented out really) to many countries around the world including Indonesia, Portugal, Greece, Turkey, Italy, and Israel. So far there was only one previous incident involving the type, where it clipped the trees while fighting fire in Portugal, but the aircraft managed to land safely. The aircraft so far has only had one foreign operator ("foreign" really, it's Azerbaijan) though a contract was allegedly signed with China back in 2017, and negotiations are on-going with a number of other countries.
Didn't a company in the US place orders for 6 BE200's?
 
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