yeah, it makes some sense. i agree that Singapore will procure about 20 new F-15S, but it will never procure 60-80 F-15S. certainly RSAF will procure JSF as the next generation attacking platform. so 20 will be consider as an transitional fighter to combine with its F-16 to restore air power. because its neighbors has been trying to get russian made 3-generation fighters like Su-27 and Su-30. F-15S will make singapore set up air superiority over its neighbor with the latest high-tech ASEA radar ,advanced missiles and precise bombs. :Dear Weasel,
Thank you for your update.
However, do you think the RSAF will stop at 24 F-15SG?
In Wikipedia, it was mentioned the RSAF has plan to procure bewteen
60-80 F-15SG depending on the progress of JSF.
The acquisition of the F-15SG is managed by the DSTA (as program manager). It includes a US$200 m (Aug 07 SP) and a US$962 m (July 08 SP) support package announced in Aug 2007 and July 2008, respectively. The Aug 07 SP included flight training, software development/integration, modification kits, spares and repair parts and logistics. The July 08 SP included the acquisition of AIM120C-5/7, JDAMs, JSOW and the AIM 9X.The Straits Times_3 Nov 2008 said:ST LOUIS (MISSOURI): The first batch of Boeing F-15SGs which are on schedule to be delivered next year, the Defence Ministry said this morning ahead of an unveiling ceremony at Boeing's plant in St Louis, Missouri.
The jets will replace the RSAF's retired fleet of... A4SU Super Skyhawk fighter-bombers... Revealing details on the plane for the first time, Mindef said it is the 'most advanced and technologically sophisticated' F-15 built to date... Mindef said the radar has an 'extended detection range' which allows the F-15SG to pick up and engage targets before it is even spotted by the enemy...
When the first batch are ready for delivery next year, the twin-seater planes will be sent to an RSAF detachment stationed at a US Air Force Base in the state of Idaho, where pilots will sharpen their skills. Singapore pilots have already been training on the US military's F-15Es.
One of them, Lieutenant Colonel Lim Chee Meng, told The Straits Times the chosen aircrew are among the best in the RSAF. The F-15SG detachment commander said the plane has a different feel from the RSAF's incumbent F-16s and F-5s. It takes a 'bit more finesse' to handle, partly because of its larger size. 'As the aircraft is heavier and has a heavier weapons load, we may need to take a bit more time to be accustomed to the characteristics...to handle the plane at maximum performance,' he said.
Like Aussie Digger, I disagree with what guppy said above. I would like to explain why.Originally Posted by guppy
HK_Thoughtful, I agree the F-15SG is a reasonable aircraft. However, is reasonable good enough to last another 20-30 years? Where and what is the F-15 MLU going to look like? The F-15SG is already a MLU of the original F-15 in its own right.
I think the Eagle is a poor choice for 2 reasons:
1. Legacy issues. Although packed with new wepaons/avionics systems, the integrated logistics support concept remains largely unchanged. Mostly, it would probably be maintained like a current generation F-16C. Another issue is training. You flip less than 10 switches to start the Rafale. You take 15 mins and a whole full checklist to start a Strike Eagle with 2 crew (assuming the jet has not been prepared for alert duties). Which is easier to train the pilot? These has long term implications.
2. No real sustainable air superiority edge. While capable, it does not have a real significant air superiority edge against the SU-30 class threat. The SU-30 class threat should not be underestimated. Thrust vectoring enables very efficient/effective launch and leave BVR missile tactics (Think launch high and fast, decelerate, and accelerate very quickly to leave the engagement). That combined with the superior weapon carriage of the SU-30, Israeli/Indian/French avionics makes the SU very formidable. The AESA/Link-16/AMRAAM capability is already available in some F-15Cs today. Although the F-15SG's AESA would be improved, I doubt it would be significant. Also, the US is famous for selling to foreign nations FMS versions, which are usually downgraded from their true capabilities. The RSAF can only hope that the US will eventually develop a newer and more capable AMRAAM...
Since the arrival of the E-2C AWACS more than 20 years ago, Singapore no longer thinks in terms of plane vs plane contest. At a seminar in Feb 2007, Singapore's chief defence scientist stated that Singapore's goal was to:Post Script: Given DSO's attitude cited below, I believe that guppy's statement that the F-15SG offers "no real sustainable air superiority edge" - IS WRONGDSO Creating the Technology Edge : 30th Anniversary Commemorative Book
“Our belief was not just to buy another weapon system from the market which anyone else could buy. But it was to build or incorporate extra value into the system which would give that element of surprise. How to make it customised to our needs, terrain, environment. And how you could build in a secret-edge advantage.”
TEO MING KIAN
former Permanent Secretary
The data transfer rate on the link 16 has to be more than the vintage one on Su-30 it is designed to do much more (including being compatible with the AWACs that were around), i doubt that has to be demonstrated to the IAF.Russian data-link technology as currently fitted to the SU-30 is not particularly capable. The Link 16 the SingAF will use is a vastly superior system and this was demonstrated to the Indians quite succinctly in their recent Red Flag visit.
Modern sensing capability was also lacking in the Indian SU-30, hence the rapid introduction of a Litening AT capability onto the 6x aircraft they deployed to Red Flag.
You mean in capability? Dont they use the same generation systems?Again, the Singaporean F-15SG will be using Sniper XR targetting pods. A generation beyond even Litening AT...