Doesn't inspire much confidence. Is there a conflict between her role as mindef and her/husband's/national party's commercial interests in china.You should have seen her talking to Sky News then!
"Crusher Collins" means business: Defence Minister unveils new New Zealand flag.
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gain you have distorted or fail to understand what was said, what I was referring to was the Defence review committee which is still in session and release an interim report stating that the strategic situation for NZ had significantly deteriorated, That was when the then Minister of defence stated that the Defence force in its current form was not fit for purpose.
I was using as an example of how the international situation can change, again you have tried to distort what was said. I said nothing regarding whether the actual combat was relevant in a NZ situation and as you have pointed out it is not. Another thought is Japan in the first quarter of the 20th century they were a strong allied nation who even provided escorting forces during WW1 for or troops heading to the battlefields in the Middle East and Europe, I think it would be fair to say that after that first quarter century the position deteriorated some what.over the next 20 years.
There are no guarantees for the future and the lack of strike squadron had nothing to do with our staying out of trouble and retaining our sovereignty over this period, it was simply the way the international situation was playing out at the time and trying to link The lack of defence to this and say that it was all because of the lack of a strike force is a phantasy.
No, again you misrepresent what is being said, They are simply everyday examples of what can happen and do happen to people across the country. In my life I have seen multiple examples of when s--t happens often without warning and without the people involved being able to counter it. The same happens on the international stage.
Did I miss one, sorry
Yep, As it goes against most wisdom, now currently being expressed by people around the world who are far more expert than either Me or you. There is also the matter of you requiring proof and/or explanations from everyone else.
Actually, that was your own comment re Ukraine, I just read it back to you...
Nice to see a few edits there....was wondering if you'd pick up that was actually your own comment and quips I used.
Oh and a defence minister stating the obvious, Im shocked! Well actually I'd be more shocked if they didnt comment on the state if the NZDF tbh as it's not rocket science, the NZDF is floundering.
As it would take at least a decade or more to get to full operational standard, the first decade of expenditure could, with the use of less than 5th generation aircraft and possibly second hand units, plus new trainers be kept under $3b, After the first decade, you would have additional expenditure, but top of the line first up is not required. For a combat aircraft, if new was required the TA-FA 50 would be more than adequate.
I was aware of that, but again you used the wrong context, completely distorting things again.
Read the the above text and please stop the overuse of sarcasm, it undermines your credibility which is a pity as your postings on other subjects are at times quite good.
Well no, as that was the point I was trying to make when I was asking for the whole who, what, where examples. So turns out you do think a war between 2 countries on the other side of the planet should then dictate what we do here. Don't worry everyone does it, the fact we have literally nothing in common with any of those countries just adds to it. If we shared a border with other volatile countries next door (as in can't get any closer) then yea sure our entire stance would be completely different, but we don't and it isn't.
You two need to agree to disagree... or get a room or something... sound like an old married couple... ;-)
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By your estimate it would take 10 years to introduce the capability (that sounds rapid but accept you are much better informed than I am). Let’s assume FA-50 will be ordered in 2025, with a (very short) service life of 20 years. What combat roles will FA-50 be more than adequate for in 2040 ( the mid point of its hypothetical RNZAF service life) in a modern Western military? I am sure there will be some but I imagine they will be very limited.
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No, I did say at least a decade, That would be a minimum to have an effective strikeforce, to get to the standard that we had in the 1980-90's from memory the RNZAF's estimate was 15 years. The standard achieved during that period was very high by international standards and was likely the same at other times. However a functioning unit with a reasonable capability could be achieved earlier.
Drones have a significant part to play in modern warfare and are a good supplement to strike aircraft. As fore defence of overseas bases, this usually would be the host nations responsibility.
My figures are for capital costs, assuming secondhand strike aircraft but possibly new training aircraft. Most training aircraft have been flogged to death by the time an air force replaces them. Combat aircraft used by major air forces are replaced due to them acquiring a high capability and usually have some life left. A recent deal for 24 ex Australian F18's was about $C100m give or take.
Rouge? Wow, a service fighting (literally) for its own survival, unheard of! What were there names? Star ranks would make the news for sure not like say army baggies in Bosnia for example trying to do their job with kit from Vietnam in an actual combat zone doing their and job. Now there's a bad joke about priorities. It's as if the "rogues" knew huh?
Quite correct, for information the defence budget declined from 2.3% GDP in1990 to 1.62% GDP in 1999 in when the Jim Bolger was PM and further down to 1.15 under Helen Clark by 2008. I did hear that their was some fairly intense competition for the limited budget and that prior to the 1999 elections, she met with army senior staff were she promised support for the army. This was second hand info and should be viewed with caution.
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Indeed but it's important to note the following quoted inside the article:
