New Coronavirus threat

John Fedup

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Unfortunately US polarization has resulted in each side selecting their media (CNN or Fox) and both accept their media source as gospel. The others guys stuff is always fake. Objectivity died.
 

Todjaeger

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Unfortunately US polarization has resulted in each side selecting their media (CNN or Fox) and both accept their media source as gospel. The others guys stuff is always fake. Objectivity died.
I do not believe that Objectivity has died. Personally, I suspect it is being held at a blacksite somewhere undergoing "enhanced" interrogation techniques. There are a few (albeit faint) glimmers of hope though IMO, as there are some questions which both 'sides' are starting to ask the current administration.

What I find so frustrating, on a number of levels, is how much political calculations have controlled the US pandemic response in place of following existing/normal infection control and response protocols.

There are concepts which have existed and been utilized successfully in public health for literally decades, which were pushed aside. I can recall a specific conversation I had with a contact at a state public health department, where we both had a WTF moment regarding a then-recent CDC guidance that ran counter to a 'traditional' response and has since been rescinded. The CDC guidance itself was essentially that people who had been exposed to COVID-19 but not showing symptoms themselves did not need to be tested. The two people at the US Dept. of Health & Human Services who were apparently responsible for the CDC guidance which had not received scientific review and approval, have respectively gone on a two month medical leave and the other permanently left the department. This was as of September.
 

Maximuswarrior

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COVID has taught us a few valuable lessons. Unfortunately, as human species we are still divided even when a calamity affects us collectively. A calamity that doesn't discriminate between any human should in reality unite everyone. Countries are politicising the pandemic. Some nationalistic media groups rejoice how others are suffering. It goes to show that we live in very polarised times. The US is not an exception in my opinion. As we are divided in camps our behavior during the pandemic is also dictated by the disunity. If we take this to macro level we see that in countries opposing groups are behaving in a similar fashion. Some believe the virus is a hoax. Some believe it is a conspiracy to limit freedoms. Even when hospitals are fully occupied and people are dying in record numbers with no end in sight. Countries that are producing a vaccine are competing instead of cooperating. It is a sad state of affairs.
 
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John Fedup

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Some information on how temperature and humidity play a role in COVID transmission. Cool weather and humidity enhances droplet transmission whereas hot and dry favours aerosol. For cool humid environments, the 2 meter social distancing is not sufficient apparently.
 

ngatimozart

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I guess I am going to have to read up on how to disinfect my cellphone without damaging it. OZ and Canada have plastic money, I assume NZ does as well?
NZ does but I, like a lot of Kiwis, tend to use electronic processing rather than cash, especially if it's contactless.
 

John Fedup

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NZ does but I, like a lot of Kiwis, tend to use electronic processing rather than cash, especially if it's contactless.
In fact here, many places only accept contactless electronic payment due to COVID, especially take aways.
 

Todjaeger

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I guess I am going to have to read up on how to disinfect my cellphone without damaging it. OZ and Canada have plastic money, I assume NZ does as well?
5 minutes in a microwave oven set on High should be sufficient to ensure that you do not get infected from that cell/mobile phone.
 

tonnyc

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I guess I am going to have to read up on how to disinfect my cellphone without damaging it.
Don't let other people handle your cellphone and there should be no need to disinfect your cellphone. If you have to disinfect it anyway, just wipe it with some disinfectant. Alcohol based disinfectants should be safe and won't damage the plastic. Some other disinfectants may be safe too. Just make sure to give the disinfectant time to work. If you use 70% alcohol, wait for it to dry by itself and that should be enough time.
 

swerve

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Don't let other people handle your cellphone and there should be no need to disinfect your cellphone. If you have to disinfect it anyway, just wipe it with some disinfectant. Alcohol based disinfectants should be safe and won't damage the plastic. Some other disinfectants may be safe too. Just make sure to give the disinfectant time to work. If you use 70% alcohol, wait for it to dry by itself and that should be enough time.
My wife's done that. Alcohol-based disinfectants seem to penetrate much better than water. Took a few days before it was working properly again. She almost bought a new one.
 

Atlantic Realm

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Well, 30 of them managed to get themselves infected. I'm actually surprised leave was granted - might have been better to keep 'em penned up.
Tested positive for shed viruses from months ago most likely. Florida managed the virus much better than peer states and most countries in the West.
 

swerve

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Total number of deaths isn't the best measure. Deaths in proportion to population is better.

Deaths per million population:
Florida 750
Georgia 723
Texas 607
Alabama 572
USA 682

For comparison -
Spain 732
UK 647
Italy 607
France 519
Germany 119

I don't see Florida as having managed the virus particularly well. More deaths than the US average, or the major European countries.

But if you look at new cases Texas is doing much worse than Florida, & so's Alabama.
 

Atlantic Realm

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Neither do I. I was being facetious- no way there's anything positive in the FL record aside from it so far not having killed my friends in St Pete.

oldsig
Look, virus is gonna virus. Mark 2020 as the year ‘experts’ decided to pretend we could hide from a submicroscopic particle for which person-to-person is just one potential vector. And guess what ? You’ve been breathing Covid all year ... and you’re still alive!

@Atlantic Realm

Dismissing COVID-19 as something we just have to live with (suggesting it is essentially a non-event) flies in the face the growing understanding of the bug, the action being taken to control it and the impact it has had on many lives. You need to drop this topic as I suspect it will divert the thread off topic and the comments are contentious in any case.

Regards

Alexsa
 

OPSSG

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Tested positive for shed viruses from months ago most likely. Florida managed the virus much better than peer states and most countries in the West.
1. Rubbish. Florida’s death toll of 16,544 people from CORVID-19 is higher than Germany (9,960 deaths), South Korea (455 deaths), NZ (25 deaths), and Singapore (28 deaths) combined.

2. In Florida there have been 771,780 cases of coronavirus since March, according to the Florida Department of Health. On 23 Oct 2020, the weekly case average increased to about 3,335 coronavirus cases announced per day. Therefore, Florida at 750 deaths per million due to CORVID-19 is incompetent and doing poorly by comparison to Europe and criminally negligent compared to 4 of the 5 countries listed below:
(a) France (519 deaths per million);​
(b) Germany (119 deaths per million);​
(c) South Korea (8.9 deaths per million);​
(d) NZ (5 deaths per million); or​
(e) Singapore (4.3 deaths per million).​

In this Brave New World wash your hands, stay home if sick and protect the frail elderly is tin foil hat territory.
3. US President Trump’s refusal to use masks has caught up with him, resulting in his family and the White House becoming a cluster of CORVID-19 infections. In this Brave New World that Germany, Korea, NZ and Singapore is part of, frequent hand washing is recommended and wearing a mask when leaving home is the norm. Let me share some facts from Singapore:
(a) Masks help to reduce the expulsion and transmission of droplets, which is the predominant route of transmission of COVID-19 (see Ministry of Heath (MOH) FAQ).​
(b) Some 11 million masks were given out to Singaporean residents, along with free hand sanitisers, as part of CORVID-19 efforts by Temasek Holdings to support the nation's fight against the pandemic.​
(c) In addition, about one million face shields were distributed to young schoolchildren and front-line workers in the food and beverage industry, while 250,000 oximeters - devices used to measure blood oxygen levels - were donated to various groups in the community.​

(d) It will soon be compulsory to use the TraceTogether app or token to perform SafeEntry check-in at certain venues conducting activities with large groups of people in Singapore. This transition from other SafeEntry methods, such as scanning identity cards, is vital as Singapore prepares to resume larger-scale events and further reopen its economy safely, said Singapore’s Smart Nation and Digital Government Office.​
Deaths per million population:
Florida 750
Georgia 723
Texas 607
Alabama 572
USA 682

For comparison -
Spain 732
UK 647
Italy 607
France 519
Germany 119

I don't see Florida as having managed the virus particularly well. More deaths than the US average, or the major European countries.
4. Agreed. In Europe, Germany with 417,350 infected and 119 deaths per million is often seen as the gold standard for CORVID-19 management.

5. In common with other countries that have a competent pandemic response (like Korea, NZ and Singapore), what’s often cited for Germany’s above average effectiveness in its governmental response is through:
(a) an effective deployment of technology, such as a contact tracing app, to fight the pandemic;​
(b) the frequently praised mass testing program, which rivals South Korea’s; and​

The most important factor is leadership that understands the science and engineering efforts needed to solve problems. In this regard it helps that Angela Merkel has a doctorate in quantum chemistry and heads a country that treats scientists, like the Berlin-based virologist and podcaster Christian Drosten, like superstars.

6. When compared to Europe’s gold standard, South Korea, New Zealand and Singapore are the platinum standard for CORVID-19 management that would put any American state or city to shame — taking the pandemic seriously, these countries despite some set backs, have managed risks properly:

(a) South Korea has had a total of 455 CORVID-19 deaths, to date, with a population of about 51.3 million. Korea has 25,698 cases and has the 2nd lowest rate of reported cases at 268 per million population in OECD countries (above Japan at 181; as per 17 July). The fight to keep infection rates down is ongoing with some set-backs, including on 21 Oct 2020, when Korea added 121 new coronavirus cases — 104 locally transmitted and 17 imported from overseas. It marks the first time the number of locally transmitted cases surpassed 100 since 24 Sep 2020. A total of 26 cases were traced to a medical institution and a nursing facility, both in Gyeonggi Province, where infected patients from a family gathering spread the virus at their workplace and a senior care home. New clusters of infections were also reported from a swimming pool in southwestern Seoul, and from a clothing factory in Yangju, Gyeonggi Province, with 10 cases and seven cases linked to the clusters so far, respectively.​
(b) NZ has had a total of 25 CORVID-19 deaths, to date, with a population of about 5 million. NZ has 1,914 confirmed and probable cases (as at 22 Oct 2020), has the third lowest rate of reported cases at 310 per million population (above Japan at 181 and South Korea at 267; as per 17 July).​

(c) Singapore has had a total of 28 CORVID-19 deaths, with a population of about 6.5 million; partly because smart management of pandemic risks ensured that the heath system was never over-whelmed. This is despite the fact that 57,941 were infected, which is a much higher rate per million of population than in Korea or NZ. In Apr 2020 infections peaked at 1,426 cases per day, to 300 per day in July, to 8 per day (as at 22 Oct 2020). From Apr to Aug 2020, Singapore struggled to bring infection rates per million of population (that was higher than Korea or NZ) under control; but as the numbers show in Oct, transmission rates have gone way down thanks to effective leadership and testing, contact tracing, use of technology, and numerous other effective measures at a whole-of-government level.​

(d) Deaths per million population compared:​
Germany 119
Korea 8.9​
NZ 5​
Singapore 4.3​

(e) Total COVID-19 infections compared:​
Germany 417,350
Korea 25,698​
NZ 1,914​
Singapore 57,941​

7. As of 17 Oct 2020, 37 COVID-19 patients remain hospitalised in Singapore, with none in intensive care. In Singapore more than 99% of those infected have been discharged, while there are 41 in community care facilities.

(a) One of the most effective ways of keeping patients alive in the early days was flipping them around to lie prone - or on their front - instead of on their backs when they were on ventilators.​
(b) But the simple manoeuvre helped patients breathe easier and absorb oxygen better, buying time for the body to recover as there was no effective therapy at that point in the outbreak.​
 
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