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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

Italy To Enhance Defence Cooperation With Pakistan


Updated on 2004-07-13 09:25:28

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan: July 13 (PNS) - The Joint Committee of Pakistan and Italy on Defence collaboration held its third meeting in Rawalpindi on Monday.

The Pakistani side was led by Air Marshal (R) Zahid Anis, Secretary Defence Production Division, while the Italian side was represented by General Gianni Botondi, the Secretary General of Defence and National Armaments Directorate.

The Committee reviewed the progress of ongoing defence production projects between both the countries and discussed future areas of cooperation.

Secretary Defence Production Division gave a detailed perspective of various projects between Pakistan and Italy, highlighting specific areas of defence requirements of Armed Forces of Pakistan. He told the delegation that it was essential to further enhance cooperation and interaction between the two countries.

He asked General Gianni Botondi to encourage Italian defence industry to come forward and offer their hi-tech equipment to the Armed Forces of Pakistan. The Secretary informed the visiting delegation that it would be very helpful if the Italian Government considers to be more liberal in granting export defence equipment to Pakistan without any hindrance.

General Gianni Botondi apprised the Pakistani side about the production capability of Italy and the modern equipment held by their Armed Forces. He emphasized that cooperation between Pakistan and Italy was very useful for both sides. He stated that cooperation between the two countries was also progressing in other fields as well. He thanked the Government of Pakistan for extending warm welcome and hospitality to home and members of his delegation.

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[Salman78]

Apart from lousy radars the italians have nothing worthwhile to sell. No wonder PAF has been delaying any deal for the F7 and JF-17 radars.

 

[The Watcher]

No wonder PAF has been delaying any deal for the F7 and JF-17 radars.

Where did you get that from?

 

[Oqaab]

Grifo S-7 is the only radar for JF-17. ACM once stated that PAF will be buying more F-7PGs. These F-7PGs may also have limited BVR attack capability.

 

[ahashmi]

:idea: consider the swedes for thunder Avionics ........ if erieye deal materialize (probably very soon ) ... then PAF may have bit easy access to Ericsson PS-05 (export version) radar ..... etc.....

and it will not be worthless and more capable then any other available systems

the only thing which one can consider problamatic will be ToT .....

 

[Oqaab]

:idea: consider the swedes for thunder Avionics ........ if erieye deal materialize (probably very soon ) ... then PAF may have bit easy access to Ericsson PS-05 (export version) radar ..... etc.....

and it will not be worthless and more capable then any other available systems

the only thing which one can consider problamatic will be ToT .....

Firstly, Sweden may not agree to sell us the PS-05 radar.

Secondly, If we somehow give billions and got the radar, then which BVR missile is going to suit that radar ?? ACM earliar clearified that western countries have refused to sell us BVR missiles.

 

[Londo Molari]

Apart from lousy radars the italians have nothing worthwhile to sell. No wonder PAF has been delaying any deal for the F7 and JF-17 radars.

Well, they basically have a lot of technology that is modified U.S. technology... the Grifo-S7 radars are modified AGP-66, the Aspide is a modified AIM-7 Sparrow, etc... and they have decent technological know-how since they were directly involved in the Eurofighter program... so they have a lot to offer, its just that they are the same as every other western country... sanctions, backstabbing, and political blocking.

 

[Salman78]

Apart from lousy radars the italians have nothing worthwhile to sell. No wonder PAF has been delaying any deal for the F7 and JF-17 radars.

Well, they basically have a lot of technology that is modified U.S. technology... the Grifo-S7 radars are modified AGP-66, the Aspide is a modified AIM-7 Sparrow, etc... and they have decent technological know-how since they were directly involved in the Eurofighter program... so they have a lot to offer, its just that they are the same as every other western country... sanctions, backstabbing, and political blocking.

That was exactly my point!!... What good is their tech if its no good for us...
Air Vice Marshal Shahid Lateef of PAF pointed out pretty much the same problems with Grifo radars and for the delay in JF-17's radar. Hez the Chief project director of the JF-17.

 

[Oqaab]

the Grifo-S7 radars are modified AGP-66,

If the Grifo S-7 is modified APG-66, then it should have a search range of more then 120 km. Previously it was rumoured that JF-17 lacks FLIR and it needs FLIR pod because of the low search range of Grifo S-7.

 

[umair]

Actually it's a modified and improved Griffo-2000 which is Italian for AN/APG-68(Griffo-2000 ie)

 

[alamzebdr]

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

dear londo,
griffoS-7 is not based on apg-66 but on apg-68.one of the attractive feature of the latter radar is the bvr-guidance capability.apg-66 has an inherent weakness that it lacks L-band antenna to guide bvr's.therefore it was dropped from the f-4 phantom upgrade programme in the mid-80's and instead apg-67 was selected for the f-4.only a handful of us national guard f-16's carry that L-band antenna for aim-7f sparrows and no further modification has taken place for bvr capability on this radar.therefore it was natural for italians to go for a bvr capable radar . it can readily guide italian aspide (remember apg-68's on f-20's firing aim-7f's).amazingily sd-10 ;the expected bvr weapon of jf-17/j-10 is based on aspide techonology(but inorporating advance russianelectronics).the shape of sd-10 very closely resembles aspide/sparrow. therefore griffo s-7( based on apg-68 ),onboard jf-17 can fire sd-10 in all four firing modes of the latter.

 

[princefaisal]

:idea: consider the swedes for thunder Avionics ........ if erieye deal materialize (probably very soon ) ... then PAF may have bit easy access to Ericsson PS-05 (export version) radar ..... etc.....

and it will not be worthless and more capable then any other available systems

the only thing which one can consider problamatic will be ToT .....

Firstly, Sweden may not agree to sell us the PS-05 radar.

Secondly, If we somehow give billions and got the radar, then which BVR missile is going to suit that radar ?? ACM earliar clearified that western countries have refused to sell us BVR missiles.

South Africa has integrated Darter series missiles on Jas-39, it had acquired. Therefore we can also integrate T-darter & A-Darter missiles. Plus if we get PS-05 with TOT, then we will have the software command for the configuration of BVR missiles also.

Also we should acquire datalink capability from Sweden for integration on all fighter aircrafts.

 

[Oqaab]

South Africa has integrated Darter series missiles on Jas-39, it had acquired. Therefore we can also integrate T-darter & A-Darter missiles. Plus if we get PS-05 with TOT, then we will have the software command for the configuration of BVR missiles also.

Also we should acquire datalink capability from Sweden for integration on all fighter aircrafts.

A-Darter is a 5th generation missile which is under development stage. I highly doubt South Africa will sell us such an offensive weapon.

And PS-05 will cost a lot for Pakistan. We have to give extra $$ for the technology. And above all, the political situation isnt favourable.

 

[P.A.F]

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

i have to agree with oqaab on this one.

 

[umair]

Besides the T-Darter already serves with the PAF(we got TOT and it's being made at AWC) specifically with the ROSEI Mirages, and will also be (probably) mated with the F-7PGs.

 

[Oqaab]

Besides the T-Darter already serves with the PAF(we got TOT and it's being made at AWC) specifically with the ROSEI Mirages, and will also be (probably) mated with the F-7PGs.

I think the SD-10 will be more suitable for F-7s rather then T-Darter. The missile will be ready by next year.

 

[corsair7772]

The PAF was interested in buying something called a PL-11 to arm our F-16s as well as to bolster our BVR arsenal along with the SD-10. Aparently the PL-11 was designed by the chinese as a missile capable of being fitted on western aircraft so as to allow countries with western aircraft and no BVR (pakistan and Iran) to get this capability w/o much political stuff.

 

[adsH]

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

did someone ever mention that the JF-17 Pakistan version avionics would use motorola PowerPC chips as its main processing units. hey thats the same-thing as PowerPC G5 and G4 as apple computers. thats some awesome processing power

 

[ashoaib]

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

You Guys know a lot about techmology......

 

[Roger Smith]

What is the percentage Pakistan has in making of JF-17?

Currently JF-17/FC-1 is being tested and flown in China. I would like to know what percentage of technology Pakistan had input in as JV (joint venture) with China to bring the concept of JF-17/FC-1. :?