JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 / Super-7 Discussions

adsH

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Re: What is the percentage Pakistan has in making of JF-17?

Roger Smith said:
Currently JF-17/FC-1 is being tested and flown in China. I would like to know what percentage of technology Pakistan had input in as JV (joint venture) with China to bring the concept of JF-17/FC-1. :?
i doubt anyone can answer that but one thing is clear the AC does have attributes found on a Viper. the Avionics would be very different to PLAAF's version. PLAAF would of dropped the project IF PAF was not interested in it. JF-17 is a PAF specific Project and there is no way any one can say , how much PAF has contributed but ACM made it clear that PAF has worked on J-10 avionics suite Guiding Chinese engineers on what to have in the Cockpit. PAF has more of an understanding about Modern western technology.But Chinese have the Man power and the Funds available to Implement the IDEA's. PAF is probably the only Airforce that has truely Designed and built an AC for use in there own service. all the other Airforces either Buy or Ask local firms to do the Job. PAF has significant skills within the Organization
 

Roger Smith

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Re: What is the percentage Pakistan has in making of JF-17?

adsH said:
Roger Smith said:
Currently JF-17/FC-1 is being tested and flown in China. I would like to know what percentage of technology Pakistan had input in as JV (joint venture) with China to bring the concept of JF-17/FC-1. :?
i doubt anyone can answer that but one thing is clear the AC does have attributes found on a Viper. the Avionics would be very different to PLAAF's version. PLAAF would of dropped the project IF PAF was not interested in it. JF-17 is a PAF specific Project and there is no way any one can say , how much PAF has contributed but ACM made it clear that PAF has worked on J-10 avionics suite Guiding Chinese engineers on what to have in the Cockpit. PAF has more of an understanding about Modern western technology.But Chinese have the Man power and the Funds available to Implement the IDEA's. PAF is probably the only Airforce that has truely Designed and built an AC for use in there own service. all the other Airforces either Buy or Ask local firms to do the Job. PAF has significant skills within the Organization
Your response is a bit confusing on PAF technology input on JF-17/FC-1, as I can understand JF-17/FC-1 is a Chinese aircraft with little bit of Western input due to PAF. Am I right? :?
 

adsH

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Re: What is the percentage Pakistan has in making of JF-17?

Roger Smith said:
adsH said:
Roger Smith said:
Currently JF-17/FC-1 is being tested and flown in China. I would like to know what percentage of technology Pakistan had input in as JV (joint venture) with China to bring the concept of JF-17/FC-1. :?
i doubt anyone can answer that but one thing is clear the AC does have attributes found on a Viper. the Avionics would be very different to PLAAF's version. PLAAF would of dropped the project IF PAF was not interested in it. JF-17 is a PAF specific Project and there is no way any one can say , how much PAF has contributed but ACM made it clear that PAF has worked on J-10 avionics suite Guiding Chinese engineers on what to have in the Cockpit. PAF has more of an understanding about Modern western technology.But Chinese have the Man power and the Funds available to Implement the IDEA's. PAF is probably the only Airforce that has truely Designed and built an AC for use in there own service. all the other Airforces either Buy or Ask local firms to do the Job. PAF has significant skills within the Organization
Your response is a bit confusing on PAF technology input on JF-17/FC-1, as I can understand JF-17/FC-1 is a Chinese aircraft with little bit of Western input due to PAF. Am I right? :?
some one had posted one of the AFM aricles on PAF and the JF-17. PAF has had significant Input in the tweaking area. but no one can say how much PAF has contributed. but the Newer J-10 avionics would have pakistani contributions for sure.
 

Roger Smith

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Re: What is the percentage Pakistan has in making of JF-17?

adsH said:
Roger Smith said:
adsH said:
Roger Smith said:
Currently JF-17/FC-1 is being tested and flown in China. I would like to know what percentage of technology Pakistan had input in as JV (joint venture) with China to bring the concept of JF-17/FC-1. :?
i doubt anyone can answer that but one thing is clear the AC does have attributes found on a Viper. the Avionics would be very different to PLAAF's version. PLAAF would of dropped the project IF PAF was not interested in it. JF-17 is a PAF specific Project and there is no way any one can say , how much PAF has contributed but ACM made it clear that PAF has worked on J-10 avionics suite Guiding Chinese engineers on what to have in the Cockpit. PAF has more of an understanding about Modern western technology.But Chinese have the Man power and the Funds available to Implement the IDEA's. PAF is probably the only Airforce that has truely Designed and built an AC for use in there own service. all the other Airforces either Buy or Ask local firms to do the Job. PAF has significant skills within the Organization
Your response is a bit confusing on PAF technology input on JF-17/FC-1, as I can understand JF-17/FC-1 is a Chinese aircraft with little bit of Western input due to PAF. Am I right? :?
some one had posted one of the AFM aricles on PAF and the JF-17. PAF has had significant Input in the tweaking area. but no one can say how much PAF has contributed. but the Newer J-10 avionics would have pakistani contributions for sure.
I got your point on JF-17/FC-1.

But as to J-10, I presume the aircraft was a by-product of Israeli "Lavi" technology with Russian power plant and China manufacturing it. I have no idea that PAF was and is involved in the project. :? :help
 

mysterious

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Re: What is the percentage Pakistan has in making of JF-17?

Adsh, is talking about the 'avionics' dept. in which the Chinese have learnt a lot from PAF's experience and are using their input of ideas and know-how. :smokingc:
 

webmaster

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Don't freaking open new threads to get attention, there is a topic already open for JF-17 discussions. Post there!

I can't believe people try so hard to show how stupid they really are. :mad


MERGED!!!
 

Roger Smith

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WebMaster said:
Don't freaking open new threads to get attention, there is a topic already open for JF-17 discussions. Post there!

I can't believe people try so hard to show how stupid they really are. :mad


MERGED!!!
WebMaster

I find your remarks uncalled for and extremely rude. :mad

Is this you are suppose to set an example in the discussion forum? :mad

I am sure for your convenience, you will erase my posting, so no one will read it.
 

webmaster

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Roger, you been here long enough to KNOW the rules and KNOW that thread already exists. If posting and opening new thread about same topic isn't stupidity then what is?

I particularly don't find it exciting baby sitting adults who ought to know what to do. Your only purpose by opening a NEW thread about topic already being discussed on 25+ pages was to get attention.

If you find my remarks rude then I apologize but know the rules and post with some type of responsibility next time.

Enjoy!
 

VICTORA1

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

Guys,
In layman's term paf has added alot more finess in the finished quality, appearance and product endurance to both the FC1 and J10 projects. Even though china can produce these items on its own, the design didnot have the qualitative edge for a present day fighter that pakistan wants to induct in large numbers. I believe the paf ACM was being very subtle in sharing the information about the project. And even though pakistan may not produce these items on its own, they know what a better item needs to look like.

Reminds me of I believe the 3M technology company's AD or was it somebody else's----" even though we didnot invent the technology, we made it better". Which means that the parent company makes a product and then gives it to this certain company to make it better and that is what this company does---makes things better.
 

SABRE

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Verified Defense Pro
Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

Who Cares, the machine flies and flies good, it fights and fights good and its Pakistan's even if China is making it.
 

Revival_786

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Pakistan is also learning from the Chinese how to construct aircrafts so in the future Pakistan will be able to manufacture its own AC's - but that does not necessarily mean that it will.
 

SABRE

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Revival_786 said:
Pakistan is also learning from the Chinese how to construct aircrafts so in the future Pakistan will be able to manufacture its own AC's - but that does not necessarily mean that it will.
Even if we do we wont do it alone. We might probably go for another Joint Venture with China or may be even France or Italy even though the Idea might completely be Pakistani. It would take us 20 more yrs to make a world class fighter Jet alone on our own basis.
 

SABRE

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

ppl I ve this question on my mind for quite a long time now can any 1 please answer. Its abt the name JF-17.

Now J= Joint, F= Fighter, what does 17 stands for. Why not JF-1. After all its a first joint venture for Pakistan.
 

ashoaib

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

I still believe on F16 theory coz we know it alot and also they are still as good as any other high tech AC and also they are very reliable plateform with low maintainance. If America left ban from exporting parts and asures no ban in the future than we should ask for them again, agian, again coz we are cooparating more than are with us.
 

Skygrasper

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I read off PakDef like a week ago that the U.S might deliver 11 F-16A/Bs to the PAF as "attrition replacements".
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Anyways thats off topic, but on another note, what can we expect in future JF-17 upgrades?
 

SABRE

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Verified Defense Pro
Skygrasper said:
I read off PakDef like a week ago that the U.S might deliver 11 F-16A/Bs to the PAF as "attrition replacements".
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Anyways thats off topic, but on another note, what can we expect in future JF-17 upgrades?
I dont think PAF is willing to buy any more F-16A/B versions besides I dont think this ACM likes F-16 any more. Ask him about F-16 and he ll say "lets close the chapter of F-16 n start a new one (Chapter of F-18)" thats what he said in a press conference about JF-17. Also the JF-17 is said to be better or equalent than F-16 A/B so there is no point in going for a/b version.

About the future upgrades; it can only be anticipated, predicted but cant be said for sure. It shouldnt involve any US equipment cause of the ban risk. French, Italian and Chinese equipment are highly likely to be brought in but France is pushing Pakistan for Mirage2000-5 n Rafeal Series so they might just resist for providing their techs. Pakistan should directly cooporate with Airnotical Industries around the world. SAAB might just do the Job for JF-17 upgrades, but if u evalute all the possibilities you ll end up back on China.

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Now I have my question.
Can JF-17 be made better than Mirage2000-5,9?

I am askin this cause some times earlier ACM said that he is also considering Mirage2000-5 & 9. But now it seems that he is not making any moves to aquire any, may be he thinks that JF-17 can do the job both F-16 and Mirage2000-5 can do. He said he likes Mirage2000-5 cause they can be refuled in the air & now he is saying tht Air Refuling technology is also going to be placed on JF-17.
 

ashoaib

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

JF-17 is better than F-16 A/B in many respect (BVR consideration).
Now I have my question.
Can JF-17 be made better than Mirage2000-5,9?
Yes coz there is a room left to upgrade and enhance JF-17 if fitted with high tech can come closer to mirage 2005/9 air refueling is underconsideration thats why overall cost rise from 10 million to 15.
 
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