Im sorry, maybe ill insult/hurt some Alman-fans, but i dont take this guy seriously...for me its just an average sourceless fanboy.
It is a pity that Alman Helvas does not understand the implications on submarine tonnage of what he wrote. He writes a lot but he does not have subject matter competence in many topics, including the differences in capability of the various submarine classes that operate in South East Asian Navies and the regionally superior submarines in the wider Indo-Pacific (eg. 4200 ton Taigei class, 3,407 ton Collins class and it’s planned replacements in the Attack class).
Alman like many in Indonesian military enthusiasts forums now working on "Rumours". Thus take it as it is, just rumours...
The rest is just another Fan boys wet dreams.
Agreed. Alman Helvas use rumours to cater to his military fan boy followers.
When Alman Helvas writes about acquiring 1,800 ton submarines for Indonesia (Option A) it means the TNI AL want submarines that are more capable than Malaysia’s Perdana Menteri-class submarines. Logically, it would mean that the TNI AL should not consider any French offer in the form of derivatives of the Scorpène class (even if they use a longer hull form, like the 72 metre long Brazilian Scorpène design). If the TNI AL wants Option A, it would mean the Type 214 and its derivatives or the DSME 2000, are front runners.
When Alman Helvas writes about acquiring 2,800 ton submarines for Indonesia (Option B), to me, it means the TNI AL want submarines that are more capable than Singapore’s Type 218SG (RSS Invincible) and the TNI AL intends to use a regionally superior design that rivals the technology found in the retrofitted Collins class. Logically, it would mean that the TNI AL should not consider any German offer in the form of derivatives of the Type 214. If the TNI AL wants Option B, it would mean LARGE designs like the Swedish A26 Oceanic (Extended Range) and its larger derivatives like the DSME KSS3 are front runners.
The difference in price between Option B is likely to be in excess of US$200 million more than Option A; before factoring in developmental risk of picking Option B. While AIP solutions by Sweden and Germany are both mature, only Pakistan uses the French AIP system.
Military off the shelf options for Option A, like the Type 214 reduce risk. Which is why Singapore‘s DSTA picked the 2,200 ton, 70 metre long Type 218SG and took 7 years to engage in risk reduction steps before delivery.
Tonnage and price are important as indicators of the amount of technology packed into a hull form. The new SS29 Taigei is only 100 tons heavier than the previous class but it is designed to not only be more capable but also have segregated bunk spaces for female crew operating on JMSDF submarines.
