Indonesia: 'green water navy'

[Ananda]

https://x.com/i/status/2060029638575878517

Rumours of 2nd Batch of Scorpene Evo being circulate by French Enthusiats. This rumours actually being circulate few days ago. It is also rumours that during his visit to Italy next, the 2nd Batch of PPA going to be activate.

So if the 2nd batch being taken, just like arrowhead 140, makes 4 on each Scorpene Evo and PPA. Perhaps magic number now increase from 2 to 4.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

Images appear on the internet of KRI Usman-Harun 359 getting the HSA SMART-S Mk.2 installed. At last.

https://www.facebook.com/61556341982997/posts/122325480566211399

 

[Ananda]

I believe the VLS seems also being replace to VL MICA from VL Seawolf. The tubes containment seems already difference. It is been circulate that the VL Mica procurement has been done.

 

[Ananda]

Japan Ministry of Defense

www.mod.go.jp

Previously it is speculated by Japanese media that Indonesia want transfer some of Oyashio class submarine. However this press release talk on Asagiri Class Destroyer. Altough it is talk also on other equipment.

There are 6 Asagiri class that still in JMSDF imventory. It is larger then Abukuma DE that Japan already talk to transfer to Philipines, but at the same age. Thus shown it is also on way out. However unlike Abukuma it is all Gas Turbine propulsion. Something that clearly shown more expensive to run.

Previously it is being talk that PLAN Type 053H3 is the one being talk to be transfer as Interim Frigate. If Japan then talk on Asagiri, then clearly it is being aimed to cut China diplomacy effort.

From rumours in here as for Oyashio, Japan try to cut China plan for transfer of Type 036 class submarine. Will this offer happening or already change to Asigiri ? Remain to be seen.


When Koizumi shown his Indonesian counterpart Sjamsoedin on Asagiri model last year. So the talk on Asagiri is actually not a new thing.

 

[Ananda]

Indonesia Eyes JMSDF Asagiri-Class Destroyers as Japan Tailors Warship Transfers to Southeast Asian Partners - Naval News

Japan and Indonesia have agreed to begin working-level discussions on the possible transfer of used Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF) Asagiri-class destroyers, marking another step in Tokyo’s expanding defense export policy and highlighting how Japan is tailoring naval cooperation to the...

www.navalnews.com

A Japanese Journalist Contributor for Naval Group talk more on Asagiri potential transfer to Indonesia. Difference from Abukuma that being slotted for Philippines, Asagiri aside larger, also aim for more outside litoral waters.

Many Indonesian enthusiasts (and for this I agree with them), question the recent addition on Gas Turbine on PPA, Garibaldi and now this Asagiri. TNI-AL purposely avoid Gas Turbine and focus more on Diesels, to make it more affordable operationally. Hope the operation budget can cover increase in fuel costs.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

Indonesia Eyes JMSDF Asagiri-Class Destroyers as Japan Tailors Warship Transfers to Southeast Asian Partners - Naval News

Japan and Indonesia have agreed to begin working-level discussions on the possible transfer of used Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF) Asagiri-class destroyers, marking another step in Tokyo’s expanding defense export policy and highlighting how Japan is tailoring naval cooperation to the...

www.navalnews.com

A Japanese Journalist Contributor for Naval Group talk more on Asagiri potential transfer to Indonesia. Difference from Abukuma that being slotted for Philippines, Asagiri aside larger, also aim for more outside litoral waters.

Many Indonesian enthusiasts (and for this I agree with them), question the recent addition on Gas Turbine on PPA, Garibaldi and now this Asagiri. TNI-AL purposely avoid Gas Turbine and focus more on Diesels, to make it more affordable operationally. Hope the operation budget can cover increase in fuel costs.

Not only the gasturbine propulsion makes maintenance and operations expensive, but we also have to think about the condition/configuration of the ships during hand-over to Indonesia.

Both classes are armed with a 76 mm naval gun, Harpoon anti-ship missiles, ASROC anti-submarine rocket launchers, and lightweight torpedoes. However, the key differences lie in air-defense and aviation capabilities.

By contrast, the approximately 3,500-ton Asagiri-class destroyer (DD) is equipped with an eight-cell Sea Sparrow surface-to-air missile launcher, two Phalanx CIWS mounts, and facilities to operate an SH-60J anti-submarine warfare helicopter. These features provide significantly greater air-defense, surveillance, and anti-submarine capabilities, making the class a more capable multi-role surface combatant.

There is a big chance that all american sensors and weaponsystems will be removed before delivery. With other words, these vessels will be empty hulls with only the 76 mm guns after entering service with TNI-AL, unless a decent overhaul and modernisation is included in the package.