Indonesia: 'green water navy'

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According to Rico, both parties are focused on establishing cooperation in several strategic areas such as developing military technology and strengthening maritime defense.

Kemhan: Tidak ada poin pembelian alutsista dalam DCA dengan Jepang

Kementerian Pertahanan (Kemhan) RI menyatakan bahwa poin pembelian alutsista tidak termasuk dalam cakupan Defence Cooperation Arrangement (DCA) dengan Jepang ...

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Indonesia MinDef spokesman tell the media that's no specific defense assets being talk in Japan-Indonesia DCA. However he is also claim that developing military tech coop and maritime defense are the focus.

 

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https://www.tnial.mil.id/berita/90233/UNSUR-UDARA-WING-UDARA-1-TURUT-SAMBUT-KEDATANGAN-KRI-CANOPUS-936-DI-PERAIRAN-INDONESIA/

KRI Canopus the Newest and Largest Hydrographic vessel finally arrive in Sunda Strait. After long journey circling Africa and cross Indies ocean from Germany.

 

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Indonesian Navy welcomes nation's first submarine rescue vessel

The Indonesian Navy welcomed Indonesia's first submarine rescue vessel, the KRI Canopus-936, at the Military Seaborne Command (Kolinlamil) pier in Jakarta ...

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It is official, KRI Canopus asside for Hydrographic vessel, it is also act as SRVS mothership. Two SRVS being acquired from UK supplier, FET and SMP. SMP ones already have mothership that being build in Batam. Thus it is SRVS supplied by FET that going to use KRI Canopus as mothership.

 

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Indonesian Navy welcomes nation's first submarine rescue vessel

The Indonesian Navy welcomed Indonesia's first submarine rescue vessel, the KRI Canopus-936, at the Military Seaborne Command (Kolinlamil) pier in Jakarta ...

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It is official, KRI Canopus asside for Hydrographic vessel, it is also act as SRVS mothership. Two SRVS being acquired from UK supplier, FET and SMP. SMP ones already have mothership that being build in Batam. Thus it is SRVS supplied by FET that going to use KRI Canopus as mothership.

Here a video of the arrival of KRI Canopus 936 at Tanjung Priok.

And here a top level of journalism video, made with a vertically hold handphone filming the arrival of a complete other ship (PPA).

 

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Jepang Tawarkan Fregat Mogami dan Kapal Selam untuk Indonesia

KSAL Laksamana Muhammad Ali mengungkap pemerintah Jepang menawarkan kapal perang fregat dan kapal selam untuk Indonesia.

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Navy Chief during media interview at KRI Canopus acceptance ceremony, confirming that Japan do offer Mogami Class Frigate plus Submarine. This is confirm Japan media on Koizumi offer during DCA signing in Jakarta. Eventough the Submarine does not being disclose, however it is already known in Japan, Indonesia interested 2-4 of the last Oyashio in the JMSDF Inventory.

For Mogami in my opinion it is back to financing scheme. UK/Babcock already secure the offer for 2nd Batch of Arrowhead 140 making 4 Frigates build in PAL. Italy/Fincantieri being rumours pursue hard on financing of 2nd Batch of PPA, for total 4 Frigates. Previously Fincantieri offer local build with their partner, thus remain to be seen.

Turkiye/TAIS for 2+2 Istiff also seems getting traction before. However since the financing depends with UAE FI, and due to present war in Gulf, I do have doubt on the financing scheme viability. Thus if Japan/Mitsubishi can offer better financing scheme, they can potentially snatch that 2+2 deal for Mogami. From what I gather, it is still standard Mogami that they offer, and not Modified Mogami that they also offering to Australia.

 

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Jepang Tawarkan Fregat Mogami dan Kapal Selam untuk Indonesia

KSAL Laksamana Muhammad Ali mengungkap pemerintah Jepang menawarkan kapal perang fregat dan kapal selam untuk Indonesia.

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Navy Chief during media interview at KRI Canopus acceptance ceremony, confirming that Japan do offer Mogami Class Frigate plus Submarine. This is confirm Japan media on Koizumi offer during DCA signing in Jakarta. Eventough the Submarine does not being disclose, however it is already known in Japan, Indonesia interested 2-4 of the last Oyashio in the JMSDF Inventory.

For Mogami in my opinion it is back to financing scheme. UK/Babcock already secure the offer for 2nd Batch of Arrowhead 140 making 4 Frigates build in PAL. Italy/Fincantieri being rumours pursue hard on financing of 2nd Batch of PPA, for total 4 Frigates. Previously Fincantieri offer local build with their partner, thus remain to be seen.

Turkiye/TAIS for 2+2 Istiff also seems getting traction before. However since the financing depends with UAE FI, and due to present war in Gulf, I do have doubt on the financing scheme viability. Thus if Japan/Mitsubishi can offer better financing scheme, they can potentially snatch that 2+2 deal for Mogami. From what I gather, it is still standard Mogami that they offer, and not Modified Mogami that they also offering to Australia.

After ordering two Scorpène Evolved submarines and 6 DRASS DGK compact submarines and many other acquisition programs, i wonder if we have enough funds left over for this.

I expect the Type 209/1300 KRI Cakra 401 will be retired after the arrival of the Scorpènes, but operating 3 Type 209/1400, 2 Scorpènes and 6 DGK submarines is already quite impressive (costs, training, maintenance, logistics).

The Oyashio class is a modern and highly capable class of submarines, but these Oyashios are also much larger than the Scorpène Evolved, with more than double the crewmembers. So i have my doubts we can handle all of this.

 

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expect the Type 209/1300 KRI Cakra 401 will be retired after the arrival of the Scorpènes, but operating 3 Type 209/1400, 2 Scorpènes and 6 DGK submarines is already quite impressive (costs, training, maintenance, logistics).

The Scorpenes whether 2 being build or potential another 2 of 2nd batch still takes 6-7 years to be operational. In short Scorpenes will not come into calculation until next decade.

This interim submarines being needed. 2 Interim Submarines from what I can gather is to replace Cakra and Nangala. Whether this 2 Interim Submarine will be ex JMSDF Oyashio or ex Marina Military U212A remain to be seen. In short by concept as interim it will be the asset that being used potentially until all Scorpene come operational. It could also potential DSME 209 can be taken out first, considering the problem they have so far.

6 DGK midget just like PAL KSOT underwater drones are for different purpose, as choke points defense with relative cheap operational cost. Those are not to act as conservative long range submarines forces. Still with Italy now actually have two sales lobby for Submarines (Fincantiery and DRASS), it does not mean DGK already is done deal. Republikorp and DRASS already lobby much, but not yet effective contract yet.

 

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The Scorpenes whether 2 being build or potential another 2 of 2nd batch still takes 6-7 years to be operational. In short Scorpenes will not come into calculation until next decade.

This interim submarines being needed. 2 Interim Submarines from what I can gather is to replace Cakra and Nangala. Whether this 2 Interim Submarine will be ex JMSDF Oyashio or ex Marina Military U212A remain to be seen. In short by concept as interim it will be the asset that being used potentially until all Scorpene come operational. It could also potential DSME 209 can be taken out first, considering the problem they have so far.

6 DGK midget just like PAL KSOT underwater drones are for different purpose, as choke points defense with relative cheap operational cost. Those are not to act as conservative long range submarines forces. Still with Italy now actually have two sales lobby for Submarines (Fincantiery and DRASS), it does not mean DGK already is done deal. Republikorp and DRASS already lobby much, but not yet effective contract yet.

How much is true from the rumours of the technical issues/malfunctions of the three South-Korean made Type 209/1400s? Is it only rumours, speculations and wild fantasies spreaded by the "neutral and objective journalist" or are there serious indications/official statements from the navy?And if it's all true, is it so bad that the submarines can not operate properly and require retirement after just more than 10 years of service?

I just found these photos on Facebook, so Skuadron Udara 100 from Disnerbal recently repainted their apron to prepare and train for the arrival of the Guiseppe Garibaldi helicopter carrier.
KERIS reborn

 

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it only rumours, speculations and wild fantasies spreaded by the "neutral and objective journalist" or are there serious indications/official statements from the navy?And if it's all true, is it so bad that the submarines can not operate properly and require retirement after just more than 10 years of service?

It is not rumours anymore as PAL CEO two years ago already talk in media those submarines need substantial overhaul. The overhaul being conducted, but seems KRI Ardedali (404) still have problem. Thus seems why Nagapasa 403 and Alugoro 405 that being shown more active. All related to battery and electrical charging and power distribution. PAL CEO still talk on potential DSME 209 2nd Batch to be continue after all problem on Batch 1 being fixed. However seems MinDef already lost appetite to continue submarine project with DSME/Hanwha Ocean. I'm previously in this thread still believe batch 2 can happen, but seems the indication shown otherwise.

Whether early retirement going to happen if the overhaul projects does not give satisfactory results, well it can happen. However I suspect the more likely situation that they don't potentially conduct MLU upgrade in next decade. This is why I suspect they (MinDef) continue approaching potential suppliers for interim Submarines.

 

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Navy looking around Agusta facility on potential helicopter to fill in Garibaldi. This is why Italy give Garibaldi for free, as Fincantieri still involve in refurbishment contract, potential got more order either with PPA Second Batch or Submarine, Drass with Republikorp on Midget Subs, and Agusta for Helicopters fill in the ex Garibaldi.