Im really glad that the procurement of the Type 206 submarines, Project 1174 Nosorog large landing ship, Project 877 submarines, F122 Class fregat Lübeck and Austrian EF2000s didn't become reality...It could and it should. That's the logical step to do. That's what previous administration try to do with DSME. Doing step by step learning curve for PAL. They are doing that with Daesun for LPD, they should done that on other projects.
However Indonesian procurement more drive by Politics. Try to satisfied different political interest and getting various international partners, and that's make it not entirely logical. Frigates should be focused on Arrowheads 140. Submarine should be focus on one class, thus maximizing learning curve.
Personally that's what I'm hoping for, then again this presents administration got more 'surprises' move then previous ones. There are not entirely logical also. So, I'm just preparing my self for more Political drama.
Perhaps no one at CNBC has any knowledge about defence, so for them the Oracle on Twitter is one of the greatest defence experts ever,...... like those people of GFP.Just wondering if CNBC Indonesia that still put his BS is not behind some factions that support his sales lobby.
The survey ship design from Abeking&Rasmussen is indeed another project. Reading the Navalnews article, the one from Houlder will be 92,5 meters long, such a size is really necessary, besides the SMP SRV-F Mk3, the ship will also get some large cranes.batampos - Galangan kapal di Batam kembali dipercaya membangun kapal negara. Adalah PT Palindo Marine yang berlokasi di Seilekop, Sagulung dipercaya membangunmetro.batampos.co.id
This survey vessels build in Batam, is also talk going to be mother ship of the DSRV. The talk with Abeking Rasmussen is for design partner for underwater survey design and equipment. Still the design give space to be integrated with other equipment including DSRV.
Although it is possible there will be another mother ship going to be build in local shipyard by UK Boulder group design. As part of agreement with SMP. This is line with SMP design that capable to be integrated on different ships.
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The talk on equipment for Red-White Frigates is not reach final yet. Especially for weapons. I put the link from MinDef Inspectorate General when giving assesment on Frigate progress.
Like ussual manufacturing project assesment , they call for contigency/recovery plan. This is general on new project to make in case some misshap or incidents happen. However on the equipment they put three things:
1. For PAL making coordination with MinDef and TNI Technical Bureau for finalising choices on Armaments choices. They emphasize on "proven" choices,
2. Make ammendment on contracts for some equipment that need to be changes,
3. Finalise procurement contracts for Electronics and Sensors equipment.
French Salesman already complaining and b**ching for some time in his tweets, on the "Turkification" of Red-White Frigates and OPV90. However he is also the ones that saying MBDA will not be allowed to sell Aster to this Frigates because it is not French/Italian projects. As saying that since Babcock that being choose instead NG as partner, then Indonesian Mindef has to face consequences of not getting Aster.
This is just part of some salesman/lobbyists battle. Perhaps MinDef want a packages. If Havelsan win then Roketsan got the deal on Missiles. While if Thales won, MinDef demand MBDA packages deal.
TNI-AL on other hand is long term user for Thales and MBDA. So not surprising they prefer that. In the end it will (as usual in Indonesian defense procurement) weight on who can better packages offer. Roketsan and Havelsan already got the deal on TNI-AD Mid-Long Range Trisula area defense missile system. So they do also have precedent to bag TNI-AL area defense system.
Anything on what they mean by Attack Sub v Tactical Sub, Attack Sub is usually only attributed to SSNs to differentiate them from SSBNs. I was thinking maybe they are going to fit VLS for Cruise Missiles to the Attack Subs for Land attack but not to the Tactical Subs, but that is only a pure guess.
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TNI-AL Video (sorry in Indonesian) from their FB. Put this one as shown TNI-AL Chief visit to TKMS. In there he got presentation on 212 and 214 with their armament suit.
Perhaps this is related to presentation that Prabowo have before (already put it here) on Attack Submarine and Tactical Submarine. Rumours says that asside Attack Submarine going to be larger then Tactical Submarine, also Attack Submarine will be build in PAL collaborate with Partner. While Tactical Submarine potentially being build on overseas yard (either all or some).
This to give two source of Submarine program, and on other hand still give PAL job to utilise their Submarine facilities. Something that seems to find middle way on domestic build commitment and time frame requirements.
# wise as they (MinDef) still put Submarine Force at 12, it is seems still the plan. 7 Tactical Sub, 2 Attack Sub and 3 existing 209 1400.
Base on rumours, attack sub is for longer range operations while tactical sub more on litoral range operations.was thinking maybe they are going to fit VLS for Cruise Missiles to the Attack Subs for Land attack but not to the Tactical Subs,
Looking to that 'confidential image' on the background that they show to the world, it will be a large UUV. We don't have the technology and knowledge yet to develop and design submarines, let alone unmanned autonomously operating ones. The required budget will be huge, and our government isn't even willing to spend enough for less sophisticated programs like N219, N245 and Elang Hitam UAV. And the Klewang Class trimaran program is ended with a single almost unarmed vessel.Coastal/Litoral and Midget Sub seems before being both consider. Midget sub from my understanding come to consideration when the Main Submarine it self going to be in the class of DSME 1400 (with 6 in the overall plan). Thus 6 DSME 209 1400 and 6 this Midget sub design (below 50m) with between 4-6 DRASS DG550 – DRASS GROUP Something that being envisage as chocked point defense on ALKI lines.
However seems they enlarge requirements, in which NG come with offer similar to Brazilians Riachuelo. Something that clearly bigger and have longer operating range then DSME 209 1400. Thus seems DSME 209 now being classified as litoral or tactical submarine.
Mind you this is all rumours base on NG Offer of Riachuelo range and further project for submarine with existing dimensions of DSME 209 . Which then being asses that Mindef looking for Long Range Ocean going class (Attack) and Litoral (Tactical). Something that MinDef neither publicly denied nor confirmed.
This Midget Sub thinking now seems being challange with PAL Underwater Drones (UUV) concept (something they work out with German Diehl Defense)
Thus as ussual in Indonesia procurement, all back toward lobby and package deals.