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Ananda

Ananda

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1625356448346832896

Looking to this time table, and considering India own project mgt track record, personally I do think Tejas Mk2 time table more doable, but have big doubt on AMCA Mk1 time table.

Considering this is practically two projects going to be done simultaneously, and looking HAL track record when completing Tejas Mk1, I do see Tejas Mk2 can be done in time table as it is practically evolution on Tejas Mk1 and Mk1A. However AMCA is more ambitious project and basically Indian ambitions for 5th Gen.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1625132384940351489

Looking on this model, and reflecting on how ROK and Turkiye catching up with KFX and TFX, I do see India still has some time to go. It is afterall they are practically also need to develop new materials for AMCA.

At least what I read to some more realistic media and forumers in Indian forums and Online Media, they are also put big doubt on AMCA time table. Tejas Mk2 and AMCA Mk1 will use similar engines (GE414) which also being use for KFX. However what many doubt is the abilities of HAL to done two projects simultaneously on schedule.

Still its interesting on how Indian going to fullfilling this ambitions.
 
Ananda

Ananda

The Bunker Group
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1657338019438018560

This tweet own by Indian Aerospace blog shown how the modernisation plan. The Tejas Mk1A will replace all Mig 21. Which basically what Tejas design for, something that's being delayed due to protracted development of Tejas.

MRFA program seems going to replace Mirage 2K and Mig29 UPG. While Tejas Mk2 seems sloted to replace Jaguar. Indian stealth project AMCA then seems going to be for additional growth, as Indian media and defense enthusiasts forums seems agree Su-30MKI will be hold by at least 2040+.

Whose going to win MRFA seems going to be tied to whose going to win Indian Navy new carrier fighters program. Both program Rafale already in contention, while US being represent with LM (F-16V derivatives for India call F-21) and Boeing (With F-18E/F). Media report so far indicating Navy tend to go with Rafale M, and this make potentially AF will also goes with Rafale and add their existing 32 Rafale already in Inventory.

eurasiantimes.com

Indian Navy Set To Acquire 26 Rafale-M Naval Fighters From France; Expert Says 'All Is Not Lost For The US'

The Indian Navy is expected to soon place an order for 26 Dassault Rafale-M fighter jets that will operate from the deck of India's new aircraft carrier, INS Vikrant.
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India with Modi's administration "Made in India" initiatives wants if not all or at least majority MRFA and Carrier Fighter being build in India. Something that Dasault and Frenchie seems already agree on. Logistically Rafale should win, and it is rumours within Indian forums, that politically for fighters, India still more comfortable with Russian and Frenchie then US as partners. This even with US aero products already in India with E7, C17,C130J and AH-64E. So far US still not getting in on India Fighters market both for AF and Navy.
 
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Ananda

Ananda

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Different approach seems betwen how India co-op with SAFRAN and GE, which shown how India keep strategy on hedging tech sources as wide as possible.
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I quote my own comment on Indian approach for developing turbofan engine for their fighters.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1673372539853352961

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1673740022103830528

SAFRAN clearly not standing still after GE offer to India. The difference is SAFRAN offer join development for new class of engine. Thus provides Indian IP hold and not just underlicense agreement as GE giving. This in some way Frenchie offer more tech access toward India then US does.

After their involvement in developing Kaveri turbofan, this seems in what some Indian defense blogers call Kaveri Mk2 development program.
 
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koxinga said:
There seems to be growing signs that the acquisition of Rafale M (26 units) will be signed off when Modi visits Paris along with 3 additional Scorpenes

www.hindustantimes.com

Indian Navy to get 26 Rafale-M fighters and three attack submarines from France

PM Modi will sign acquisition of 26 Rafale-Marine fighters for INS Vikrant and 3 additional Kalveri class submarines to be built at Mumbai's Mazagon Dockyards.
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It's India and defence procurement. We'll wait and see. Macron is in Vilnius at the moment and the NATO summit finishes tomorrow (Wednesday).
 
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ngatimozart said:
It's India and defence procurement. We'll wait and see. Macron is in Vilnius at the moment and the NATO summit finishes tomorrow (Wednesday).
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Usually, when the Defence Acquisition Council signs off on it, that would considered firm from a procurement process standpoint. Of course, things can still change.

www.dassault-aviation.com

India selects the Navy Rafale - Press kits

The Indian Government announced the selection of the Navy Rafale to equip the Indian Navy with a latest-generation fighter. © Dassault Aviation - C. Cosmao
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(Saint-Cloud, France, July 14, 2023) – The Indian Government announced the selection of the Navy Rafale to equip the Indian Navy with a latest-generation fighter.


(Saint-Cloud, France, July 14, 2023) – The Indian Government announced the selection of the Navy Rafale to equip the Indian Navy with a latest-generation fighter.
Following an international competition launched by the Indian authorities, this decision comes after a successful trial campaign held in India, during which the Navy Rafale demonstrated that it fully met the Indian Navy’s operational requirements and was perfectly suited to the specificities of its aircraft carrier.
The Indian Navy’s 26 Rafale will eventually join the 36 Rafale already in service, which are giving full satisfaction to the Indian Air Force, making India the first country to make the same military choice as France by operating both versions of the aircraft to help consolidate its superiority in the air and on the seas and guarantee its sovereignty.
This selection confirms the excellence of the Rafale, the exceptional quality of the link between Dassault Aviation and the Indian Forces, and the importance of the strategic relationship between India and France.
“As we celebrate the 70th anniversary of our partnership with the Indian Forces, I would like to thank the Indian authorities for this new mark of confidence and pledge, on behalf of Dassault Aviation, that we will fully meet the Indian Navy’s expectations with the Rafale”, said Eric Trappier, Chairman and CEO of Dassault Aviation.
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m.economictimes.com

IAF to order around 100 more LCA Mark-1A fighter jets for over USD 8 billion

The Indian Air Force (IAF) is planning to purchase around 100 more LCA Mark1A fighter jets to replace its MiG-21 jets. The proposal has been submitted to the Defence Ministry, and if approved, it would give a significant boost to the indigenous aerospace sector.
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Few days old, but India decide to add the order number around 100 more Tejas Mk1A.

Also they manage to integrate their Astra AAM to Tejas. Add their indigenous fighter capabilities. Something as usual increase Indian Defense Channels chats.


As outsider I can only say, 'finally'. After decades of development, after dilly dally of Indian AF with Tejas performance, finally they are shown commitment to use Tejas to the purpose that being put decades ago. Tejas is for Mig-21 replacement.

India is in much better condition compare to Pakistan. However Pakistan AF shown more determination on using JF-17 as replacement for all their Mirage III/V and J-7. Some can argue that Pakistan has no other choices. Still even tough JF-17 is more or less Chinese under license Fighter, Pakistan stick to them to increase their relative indigenous capabilities.

Well hope India after decades of developing Tejas, really sticking with the Fighter for better or worse. If India really serious want to develop their own MIC in Aero defense.
 
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Brazil's Embraer eyes mega transport aircraft deal with IAF, in talks with HAL, private players

IAF seeks 40-80 medium transport aircraft with 18-27 tonne capacity under Make in India route. CEO of Embraer Defense & Security says also looking at setting up assembly line in India.
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Embrear offer tied up with HAL on underlicense partnership for C-390. This is aim for AN-32 replacement program, but seems can also aim for early version of IL-76.

C-390 is for capacity of C-130J that India already has. Also AN-32 replacement supposedly with the C-295. Thus I do sense this deal (if goes through) will reduce further opportunities for all three C-130J, AN-32 and IL-76 NG. Embrear need Indian market, considering they are being push out in the market by C-130J. Unlike other big C-130J market, India also not traditional C-130 users, thus familiarity factor not really weight in for India.

If Embrear willing to give good licensing agreement up to partnership status with HAL, C-390 in my opinion can provide well slot to "Make In India" initiatives for defense articles. So could be turn around deal for Embraer. Then again it is Indian Procurement, and it can also dragging on.
 
Sandhi Yudha

Sandhi Yudha

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Ananda said:
theprint.in

Brazil's Embraer eyes mega transport aircraft deal with IAF, in talks with HAL, private players

IAF seeks 40-80 medium transport aircraft with 18-27 tonne capacity under Make in India route. CEO of Embraer Defense & Security says also looking at setting up assembly line in India.
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Embrear offer tied up with HAL on underlicense partnership for C-390. This is aim for AN-32 replacement program, but seems can also aim for early version of IL-76.

C-390 is for capacity of C-130J that India already has. Also AN-32 replacement supposedly with the C-295. Thus I do sense this deal (if goes through) will reduce further opportunities for all three C-130J, AN-32 and IL-76 NG. Embrear need Indian market, considering they are being push out in the market by C-130J. Unlike other big C-130J market, India also not traditional C-130 users, thus familiarity factor not really weight in for India.

If Embrear willing to give good licensing agreement up to partnership status with HAL, C-390 in my opinion can provide well slot to "Make In India" initiatives for defense articles. So could be turn around deal for Embraer. Then again it is Indian Procurement, and it can also dragging on.
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The C295 is not only to replace the An-32 but also the Avro HS 748.
But still, a fleet of C-17, Il-76, C-390, C-130J-30, C295 and Do 228 is quite diverse. To make the fleet more cost effective and logistically efficient, they should sell the C-130J-30, specially because the Indian Airforce has only 12 of them. Enough countries who would like to buy some relatively young Super Herculeses.
 
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