good grief, the comments on there make some of the "other" forums with "enthusiastic" members elsewhere look like tactical and geopolitical geniuses.
F-35 - International Participation
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good grief, the comments on there make some of the "other" forums with "enthusiastic" members elsewhere look like tactical and geopolitical geniuses.
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
The CBC interviewed the US assistant defence secretary during junior's visit to the Whitehouse yesterday. The interesting comment was his "hoping Canada makes a decision soon on fighter replacement" so both countries can start talking about future NORAD integration for whatever we buy. Both the LM and Boeing CEOs were at the Whitehouse dinner for junior. Wonder who was closest?
I'm surprised that some of the more enthusiastic members haven't been asking about F35B for RAN
Defencenews has Australia, Singapore and Sth Korea as clients who have ordered jumpers
Defencenews has Australia, Singapore and Sth Korea as clients who have ordered jumpers
Wow...how did that get overlooked that in the white paper?
On a more serious note - it does look like the Marines have some more positive news on the B. In recent exercises they say it's performed very well - a 4 ship taking out adversaries without any losses and successfully performing CAS from above the cloud in unfavourable conditions for fourth gen flying. There's about 9 minutes about it in the youtube vid starting from 40 minutes in.
youtube.com/watch?v=os5V-72I2rg&t=40m54s
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SpazSinbad
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Eight minute excerpt with Gen. 'Dog' Davis explaining the scenarios here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odhIhAiSfic
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
There will be no new major defence projects until 2020 thus a CF-18 will not happen in junior's first mandate. The 2016/17 deficit will be 29 billion with no balanced budget plan for 5 years.
John Newman
The Bunker Group
There will be no new major defence projects until 2020 thus a CF-18 will not happen in junior's first mandate. The 2016/17 deficit will be 29 billion with no balanced budget plan for 5 years.
If the Canadian Government keeps pushing major defence decisions off into the distance then, in some respects, it is better for the chances of Canada actually proceeding with the F-35A acquisition.
If a decision is not made till after that date, the Super Hornet production line could be winding down or shut down, and the F-35 should be in full rate production (reducing the price per airframe down even further).
Typhoon will be out of production too unless new exports materialise.
John Newman
The Bunker Group
And of course aircraft production doesn't just end when the last airframe rolls off that production line, it starts to happen a year or two before when the component suppliers are told that no more components are required to be produced after a certain date.
The C-17A production line is a good example, the decision to start shutting down the component supply chain happened well before the last of the 10 white tails rolled off the line.
The way Canada is dragging it's feet on this, there is certainly a good chance that the F-35 might be the last man standing and the Government of the day might have no choice but to order them!!
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
I agree, the F-35 might be the last guy standing. Having backed themselves into a corner, the delay to 2020 allows junior and his team a graceful transition to the correct choice. However, his delays on future RCN projects will be disastrous for Canada, the RCN and hopefully his second mandate.:jump
SpazSinbad
Active Member
Turkish Navy to operate 6 F-35Bs from LHD Anadolu according to their President:
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t68
Well-Known Member
I was under the impression that they were deleting the ski jump on their variant of JC1, has that changed?
Well the model and illustration in the article include the ski ramp. If the article is correct this appears to be a new capability for Turkey.
In an unrelated aside, the TV news here showed video of a brawl in the Turkish Parliament during a debate on the ruling party's planned Constitution changes removing MPs immunity from prosecution. Fun and games :duel
t68
Well-Known Member
that's true but length will govern load out between a Wasp and a TCG Anadolu without the ramp.
doesn't matter anyway appear I was thinking of there own indigenous design, all other information points towards JC1. Would be interesting to see they made any design changes like Canberra.
there are load and take off impacts for/with ramps though...
there was a vid from a USMC Harrier pilot who explained the differences in the 3 different take off types. fuel burn to weapons loads were significant. interesting vid if you find it as he also talks about dogfighting against hornets and eagles
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IIRC the F-35B KPP for a short take-off is 600 feet. That would allow for full internal fuel and weapons load. Not a problem for a US LHA or LHD. Having a ramp helps the jet get into the air in a shorter distance, crucial for aTurkish Navy ship that is said to measure 150 meters.
Diesel engines only, Turkish combat systems and a rather optioned-up self defence armament compared to the other three, but still a JC1 class LHD in essence with an LOA around 230m.
Plan from a couple of online sources appears to be an air wing of six F-35 and 14 helicopters, suggesting some encroachment on the light vehicle deck for added hangar space
oldsig127
SpazSinbad
Active Member
Model: F-35B on Ski Jump: http://www.navyrecognition.com/imag...y_LHD_aircraft_carrier_F-35_B_IDEF_2015_3.jpg
Specifications for Turkish LHD in English here:
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