Doesn't seem to have killed off manufacturing in Germany.
Boatteacher
Active Member
One could suggest Germany's manufacturing sector is protected by the relative undervalue of the Euro (viz its own economy) caused by the drag of less productive States.
If it had its own currency, it would like suffer the same result.
KrustyKoala
Member
lads I love a good discussion on german manufacturing as much as the next bloke but i think we might be straying off topic
Kiwigov
Member
All true, until shipping is 'back to normal' and imports can come in as cheaply as they were in Feb 2020. Then every company's accountants will highlight the higher costs of inventory/warehousing - and sales season will kick off.
In the military context, I understand Aust is trying to increase its war stocks (not that such info is publicly available - at least I hope not)
The thing about bean counters and economists is that they have a short vision temporally and don't appreciate the long term view or that fact that unrelated things can and will go wrong. They don't allow for unforeseen events.
And a more succinct way of making the point I made earlier. It seems that things are supposed to get cheaper as we build more but that would be in a single run. The way this is shaping up is short build phase followed by a Valley or death followed by another short build phase.
Redlands18
Well-Known Member
How do you know that? We don't have the winner of Land 400 phase 3 yet, if Hanwa win that the Factory will be very busy for over a decade, there is still several years yet to order the follow on SPH order without so that it can follow on the current order. Hanwa also has the K239 MRL as an alternative to the HIMARS.
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Was referring to the SPH build and yes if Red Back wins that may change things.
Its not just the production that the facility will benefit but even future maintenance, upgrades etc. It will bve of use for decades to come, Even more so if the fleet is expanded out to 90 from current ordered 45 as that will allow a steady flow of work to keep skills employed.
Redlands18
Well-Known Member
Not really, the maintenance and minor upgrades will be done on site at Unit level, we don't have Abrams and ASLAV Factories in Australia yet we have no problem keeping them maintained. They would only go back to the Factory for a MLU
I think that’s a bit of a sweeping generalisation isn’t it? Some of us numbers types do have a head on our shoulders you know…..
“Typical bean counters and economists” - I’d agree with that!
Respectively disagree, was only in 2017 Colonel Anthony Duus made a solid argument to manufacture our M1's in Australia and to then use such a site as a sustainment hub. Considering at the time he was talking about a desired fleet of 90 tanks then at least to me stands to reason the SPH would benefit from a sustainment hub to get the most out of it if we acquire the full 90 SPH's and munition carriers
Haha, point taken. I know that you won't be aware of this but one of the Moderators is a bean counter. I am waiting to be banned
Aussie Coms
New Member
I’m sure he was talking about the F15, not F22, and either made a typo, got mixed up or whatever. But the comments made seem to relate to F15
John Newman
The Bunker Group
Mate, sorry but you are wrong, he was definitely writing about the F-22.
From the time he wrote the original article to now, he has modified and edited it, it still refers to the F-22. (He may have changed it slightly because I emailed him and told him he was wrong, I never got a reply from him, funny that?).
The guy is an idiot, but pretty much on par with most the so called defence writers in the general media.
It was simply very poor quality research, or some other idiot sent him that and he repeated it.
John Newman
The Bunker Group
Here’s some screen shots of the article.
Original and modified, clearly written about the F-22.
Never rely on the general media for accurate Defence reporting, especially the ABC, SMH/The Age and The Australian.
Better to read the specialised Defence media (though some of them are a bit dodgy at times too).
Original and modified, clearly written about the F-22.
Never rely on the general media for accurate Defence reporting, especially the ABC, SMH/The Age and The Australian.
Better to read the specialised Defence media (though some of them are a bit dodgy at times too).
Aussie Coms
New Member
I was just making the point that if you replaced F22 with F15 in that article, then yes, it makes sense.
So, you are probably correct in that someone sent it to him, he didn’t know any better and just regurgitated it
John Newman
The Bunker Group
Replace F-22 with F-15, that’s like replacing the word Queen with King, one has balls the other doesn’t, still totally different.
The problem is that the average punter in the street here in Oz has NFI regarding Defence or the more finer and ‘accurate’ details of Defence.
So they end up reading verbatim what is in front of them and believe that it’s true, but it’s not, rarely ever is.
And because of that lack of knowledge by the punters, the so called expert Defence writers (paid idiots) can get away with blue murder writing crap and complete lies too.
Again, don’t rely on the general media for accuracy, you’ll be waiting a very long time for that to happen, if ever.
Cheers,
Aussie Coms
New Member
Hi John, yes I’m fully aware of that, as far as Australian media Defence reporting goes, if it flies it’s a bomber, if it has wheels it’s a tank and if it floats it’s a battleship. And that‘s about the level of intellectual thought that goes into it.
Reporting on Aussie property prices, interest rate rises etc are a much higher priority, apart from thrashing the kiwi’s or poms at whatever sport.
Yep the author maybe was sent something, or maybe skimmed an ASPI article or something, threw together a crap article, and sold it to SMH
And yes, I still believe that the original content that he used, related to F15, and he obviously doesn’t know the difference between an F22 and F15, and doesn’t care, as long as he gets paid for the article
Anyway, not arguing with you, just expressing my view
cheers
Oi if you want to stay on here better ease up about the thrashing us Kiwis at sport.
There are three Kiwi moderators on here. By the way we be ahead of you on the Winter Olympics medal table. 
Wouldn't do it myself - to cold for this Maori.