ADF General discussion thread

[Milne Bay]

How much "on call" and extra capacity rolling stock is available at the present time?
I expect that there is very little extra capacity within the system to carry the freight volumes being discussed here.
Do we still have state railway workshops producing flat cars?
How many extra locomotives would be needed and where are these going to come from?
MB

 

[SammyC]

How much "on call" and extra capacity rolling stock is available at the present time?
I expect that there is very little extra capacity within the system to carry the freight volumes being discussed here.
Do we still have state railway workshops producing flat cars?
How many extra locomotives would be needed and where are these going to come from?
MB

We would need lots. I doubt there is much spare.

There is actually a reasonably good in country rail manufacturing industry. It's an industry that has been well supported by the mining fraternity for a long time. The big miners are major rail users.

UGL and Downer both make diesel locomotives, and there are multiple producers for rolling stock.

 

[Wombat000]

How much "on call" and extra capacity rolling stock is available at the present time?
I expect that there is very little extra capacity within the system to carry the freight volumes being discussed here.
Do we still have state railway workshops producing flat cars?
How many extra locomotives would be needed and where are these going to come from?
MB

I suggest there’s practically nil extra capacity or substantial workshops to promptly construct rolling stock.
This is the price we now pay for profit driven privatisation and minimal holdings cost rationalising.
Remembering it comes from an era of ‘just in time’ logistics.

In the immediate term I think we should formalise a structural fuels supply chain sourced from across the Pacific.
Even if it’s a % of total imports and it’s technically more cost incurring.
This is because established supply chains are more durable and potentially flexible than scrambling deals in emergencies.

We, and the nation spend a lot of time and effort on elaborate defence footings and military bling, well this is a timely profound lesson in basic survival logistics.

Imagine how much better we would be today if we had a developed biofuels sector.
Imagine how worse off we would be if a % of the economy wasn’t already electrified.

 

[SamB]

I suggest there’s practically nil extra capacity or substantial workshops to promptly construct rolling stock.
This is the price we now pay for profit driven privatisation and minimal holdings cost rationalising.
Remembering it comes from an era of ‘just in time’ logistics.

In the immediate term I think we should formalise a structural fuels supply chain sourced from across the Pacific.
Even if it’s a % of total imports and it’s technically more cost incurring.
This is because established supply chains are more durable and potentially flexible than scrambling deals in emergencies.

We, and the nation spend a lot of time and effort on elaborate defence footings and military bling, well this is a timely profound lesson in basic survival logistics.

Imagine how much better we would be today if we had a developed biofuels sector.
Imagine how worse off we would be if a % of the economy wasn’t already electrified.

A just transition would invest just in time to build capacity before retail fuel is retired.

 

[StevoJH]

Long haul trucking is the last six figure salary job that doesn't require a degree. There will be consequences. The federal government failed to protect taxi drivers from uber I think they should move to protect this one. Letting go of the Falcon and Commodore was a kick in the guts but road trains too?. Are you sure.

Hardly, the following come to mind without even thinking real hard.
- Mining
- Electrician
- Plumber
- Builder

What sort of consequences will there be?

Unless energy density of batteries significantly increases, diesel and jet fuel aren't going anywhere in a hurry. And a significant portion of fuel usage is in the transport industry with no existing replacement in sight.

What might change is the type and origin of the fuel.

 

[SamB]

Hardly, the following come to mind without even thinking real hard.
- Mining
- Electrician
- Plumber
- Builder

What sort of consequences will there be?

Unless energy density of batteries significantly increases, diesel and jet fuel aren't going anywhere in a hurry. And a significant portion of fuel usage is in the transport industry with no existing replacement in sight.

What might change is the type and origin of the fuel.

A plumber exits TAFE on six figures. Takes a post grade until 30 or maybe 40 years old before they're on six figures. If you look at all the emerging sectors like Artificial intelligence, Tesla and SpaceX etc the employees involved in every single growth sector are all scientists in there own right.

For the most part Australians are not well suited for University. For those who are fidgety and rambunctious there is TAFE but provisions must be set aside for those who go to school just to eat lunch.

I believe that there must always be at least five hierarchies.

The ultra poor. The poor, the middle class, the wealthy and the ultra wealthy.

Just because Australia mismanaged deindustrialization doesn't now mean that there is only 3 hierarchies or that we should provision for only 2 or 3 hierarchies.

Your energy and transportation network has to make sense. Just incase logistics is not a long term solution. Ideally and by all rights Australia would gather every physicist they have to put chalk to board and math the fuck out it.

 

[Volkodav]

Hardly, the following come to mind without even thinking real hard.
- Mining
- Electrician
- Plumber
- Builder

What sort of consequences will there be?

Unless energy density of batteries significantly increases, diesel and jet fuel aren't going anywhere in a hurry. And a significant portion of fuel usage is in the transport industry with no existing replacement in sight.

What might change is the type and origin of the fuel.

There are a shite load of PMs without a degree too. They actually seem to prefer them completely unqualified, or failing that, unsuitably qualified.

Its weird, there are a lot of tradies I know who struggled with undergraduatd degrees, and even associate/advanced diplomas, who excelled at post grad.

A lot of tradies are very smart but visual thinkers who struggle with the verbal linea thinking required for lower levels, but are in their element with more complex areas where they have a high level of experience and interest.