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John Fedup

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Canada selects Poseidon as CP-140 replacement - Australian Defence Magazine
Canada has chosen the P-8A Poseidon to replace the CP-140 in the Maritime Recce role. They are the 8th Nation to select the P-8. The requirement is for up to 16ac.
Great news assuming 16 are actually acquired. Time will tell. Government procrastination has resulted in a huge package of defence renewal occurring at the same time, 88 F-18s, 15 CSCs, and now 16 P-8s. Then there is the investment in new radars for NORAD not to mention significant capital equipment required for the army. A looming recession could see pollies trimming some of this.
 
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Redlands18

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Great news assuming 16 are actually acquired. Time will tell. Government procrastination has resulted in a huge package of defence renewal occurring at the same time, 88 F-18s, 15 CSCs, and now 16 P-8s. Then there is the investment in new radars for NORAD not to mention significant capital equipment required for the army. A looming recession could see pollies trimming salaries me of this.
A 16ac order from Canada will also keep the line open for a few more years, still some potential for further orders from other nations as well as current users.
 

ngatimozart

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A 16ac order from Canada will also keep the line open for a few more years, still some potential for further orders from other nations as well as current users.
Yes. NZ should acquire two because four aren't enough.

Next, what will Canada name their P-8A Poseidons? They do have a habit of changing the names and type designations of their acquisitions. Somehow the P-3 Orion was changed to the CP-140 Aurora.
 

Redlands18

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Yes. NZ should acquire two because four aren't enough.

Next, what will Canada name their P-8A Poseidons? They do have a habit of changing the names and type designations of their acquisitions. Somehow the P-3 Orion was changed to the CP-140 Aurora.
CP-140 Aurora Maritime Surveillance Aircraft - Airforce Technology (airforce-technology.com)

The CP-140 isn't actually the P-3 Orion, it uses the same baseline aircraft but uses the mission avionics taken from the S-3 Viking instead of those used on the P-3. Like the CH-148 Cyclone the Canadians really like re-inventing the wheel.
 

John Fedup

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hauritz

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I am always amazed at the ability of the Canadians to drag out selection programs, sometimes for decades, only to finally settle on what was the most obvious choice from day one.

Now that this has finally been sorted that would leave submarines as the next big project yet to be resolved.
 

John Fedup

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I am always amazed at the ability of the Canadians to drag out selection programs, sometimes for decades, only to finally settle on what was the most obvious choice from day one.

Now that this has finally been sorted that would leave submarines as the next big project yet to be resolved.
Although governments of all stripes screw with DND, it is the apathetic Canadian electorate which makes this possible. As I have referenced a number of times, PM Mulroney summed this up best, Canadians are a bunch of whiners. WRT submarines, I no longer care, SSNs are the only realistic choice and acquisition of SSNs will never happen. Might as well buy more P-8s and F-35s instead of limited capability SSKs.
 

IHFP

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WRT submarines, I no longer care, SSNs are the only realistic choice and acquisition of SSNs will never happen.
I have been doing some research on prospective replacements for Canada's submarines. I'm having trouble keeping a straight face and typing Canada and SSN in the same sentence. Hey "Zellers" is back from the dead, so who knows whats possible!? Maybe we should start a thread for prospective submarine replacements? Would you like to or should I?
 

At lakes

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I have been doing some research on prospective replacements for Canada's submarines. I'm having trouble keeping a straight face and typing Canada and SSN in the same sentence. Hey "Zellers" is back from the dead, so who knows whats possible!? Maybe we should start a thread for prospective submarine replacements? Would you like to or should I?
Not a good idea the words Canada and SSN in the same sentence would give rise to far too much fantasy
 

Todjaeger

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Although governments of all stripes screw with DND, it is the apathetic Canadian electorate which makes this possible. As I have referenced a number of times, PM Mulroney summed this up best, Canadians are a bunch of whiners. WRT submarines, I no longer care, SSNs are the only realistic choice and acquisition of SSNs will never happen. Might as well buy more P-8s and F-35s instead of limited capability SSKs.
I do not know, the RCN might be able to make an offer on some 2nd hand Collins-class SSG's in about a decade.

I am not inclined to poke a Russian bear in case I make them angry, but a Canadian loon is a bird of entirely different feathers.
 

IHFP

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I do not know, the RCN might be able to make an offer on some 2nd hand Collins-class SSG's in about a decade.
That was way past "on the chin", that was on the back of the head!
Maybe the Australians have some old tanks we can check out, to replace the "L2"s we have put aside for Europe?
Maybe we can tour them in action with our used Australian fighters!
Maybe Australia has some good deals on snow mobiles Armed forces test stealth snowmobile - Canada News
 
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John Fedup

The Bunker Group
I have been doing some research on prospective replacements for Canada's submarines. I'm having trouble keeping a straight face and typing Canada and SSN in the same sentence. Hey "Zellers" is back from the dead, so who knows whats possible!? Maybe we should start a thread for prospective submarine replacements? Would you like to or should I?
Even a Canada SSK thread would be a waste of space at that the moment. We would not even have the Victoria class had it not been for the Upholder deal which as it turned was no deal at but at least kept the RCN in the sub business. The best part was the stain it left on Chrétien, almost as big as the EH101 debacle. As for SSNs, neither the USN, Canadian pollies or the electorate would support them for the RCN.
 

seaspear

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The selex upgrade had the Victoria class finishing early 2030,s so Canada could be in the market for a replacement then obviously the Colins would be a upgrade and affordable more importantly by Canada Australia then would be getting first of the Virginia replacements everyone happy
 

John Fedup

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The selex upgrade had the Victoria class finishing early 2030,s so Canada could be in the market for a replacement then obviously the Colins would be a upgrade and affordable more importantly by Canada Australia then would be getting first of the Virginia replacements everyone happy
I think the embarrassment caused by the used sub and Hornet purchases make the probability of future used kit as unlikely IMO. The path of least resistance is no future subs for this government and I doubt Conservatives, if they win office, would want to commit any more money to defence short of war breaking out.
 
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