Yes and Chile also has the last two RAN FFGs with ESSM AND SM 2
Chile has yet to operate a frigate in the Indo Pacific beyond Hawaii and I’m unsure whether Brazil has ever operated in the Pacific, certainly not on Aust and NZ trade routes.
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Chile has yet to operate a frigate in the Indo Pacific beyond Hawaii and I’m unsure whether Brazil has ever operated in the Pacific, certainly not on Aust and NZ trade routes.
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Doesn't mean we couldn't buy off them if they were willing to sell... ? I don't see why that would be an issue if... and only if they had enough stock and willing to sell... (Not saying they would either) the point is the RN, RNZN, and soon RCN are the not the only users...
Read the previous posts about the why of Sea Ceptor being chosen. They will answer your question.
Operationally we do cooperate closely; and the RNZN regularly uses RAN collective training facilities. As far as common equipment types go, when we had a common configuration in the ANZACs we shared spares and many other things. As the configurations have diverged that has become more difficult, at least as far as weapons systems go. The RAN is now committed to US weapons and sensors; the RNZN is not. Some of that may be because of limits to funding available to the RNZN and some may be just that the RNZN has a different philosophical approach. Whichever, they are currently on diverging paths which makes commonality of training and the like difficult; even if there is an appetite for one or other to surrender some sovereign capability, which is always implicit in going multi national in such things
Some have religious objections to it. Some of us only visited churches, museums, art galleries, and libraries when were were ashore. We were so holy and pure that even the padre had to go to confession twice a week in comparison.Stuff
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I find it very hard to believe that any sailor would be required to be ordered to drink rum
I guess “Rum, Bum and the Lash” is still in vogue with you South Sea Kippers..
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And some are X months sober because last time they were ordered to drink rum they got in a who heap of trouble...
Of course. After all, as you very well know, the Navy is a very traditional service.
Yes, that was the officers, who can't handle their rum. They always have to be hand held on runs ashore etc., so that they don't embarrass the ship or navy.
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HMNZS Aotearoa off to RIMPAC 2022.
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recce.k1
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No Frigate participation this year? According to Navy Today (pg 3) HMNZS Te Kaha is (or has been) in deep maintenance undertaking "one of the largest maritime MRO (maintenance, repair, and overhaul) packages" in the last 30 years in NZ (would that be when two of the Leander's had modifications to the search radar, CIWS fitted and the ship's helo hanger extended)? And on page 30 HMNZS Te Mana is calling in to San Diego for "systems testing" then visiting Hawaii.HMNZS Aotearoa off to RIMPAC 2022.
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Not to my knowledge... But I have been known to be wrong in the past...
I know there is the communications systems upgrade going on but I wouldn't call that "one of the largest maritime MRO (maintenance, repair, and overhaul) packages" in the last 30 years in NZ
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The bit about the "largest" MRO was pretty much a quote taken from Navy Today (their words not mine)! Presumably it is plant/engine/machinery related. This article from last December on Te Kaha's MASS decoy system also happens to briefly mention "While she has finished the upgrades she has not completed her maintenance routine." and some scuttlebutt on the RNZN facebook page late May suggests Te Kaha will be in drydock for much of this year (after last year's deployments). Must be a lot happening with her then (and another reason why having at least a third Frigate is crucial)!
In terms of the communications systems upgrades, noticed Defence is now using the term "Frigate Sustainment Phase" (i.e. FSP1 – Communications Project).
This other article on "FSP1 - Communications Project" has a few more details. The systems integrator, SEA, has other interesting capabilities in the autonomous ASW surveillance field. Something for Defence to consider?
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Howdy Teal, seems not (and a change of command occurred back in February from memory), did some further searching and found the following:
But it does appear that a lack of crewing (or perhaps prioritising crews to serve elsewhere) is affecting one of the IPV's which is being "maintained in reserve". On the plus side the DefMin is implying that the remainder of the fleet is sufficiently crewed when he then says "the remainder of the Royal New Zealand Navy (RNZN) fleet is deployable as required to meet government tasking".
Talking of crew numbers another question confirms the current "crew size for each vessel".
HMNZS Aotearoa (AOR): 64
HMNZS Canterbury (MRV): 78
HMNZS Manawanui (Dive & Hydrographic): 39
HMNZS Taupo and HMNZS Hawea (IPV): 24 each
HMNZS Te Kaha and HMNZS Te Mana (FFH): 178 each
HMNZS Wellington and HMNZS Otago (OPV): 42 each
Sailing training craft: 10 each (*3x 12-metre Chico 40 yachts)
Pathfinder and Hammerhead workboats: 2 each (*assigned to the Maritime Hydrographic Group and Clearance Dive Group respectively)
Rigid-Hulled Inflatable Boats: 2 each (*embarked seaboats on all Navy vessels, usually two to a vessel)
* from RNZN website ships and watercraft pages.
Good morning All on this frosty day
To twist the topic for a bit
Last night I was part of a discussion on the ability of NZ to deal with a major sea based oil spill from a stricken vessel, be it aground or adrift. The discussion led to the lack of NZ based "ocean tow " ships. Harbor tugs are just that.
With the RNZN conducting Southern Ocean patrols and summer trips into McMurdo is it too far off to think NZ inc (RNZN) should have a vessel to assist if it all turns pear shaped, also looking at the future demands of the Southern Ocean. The cost in dollars of an Oil spill and clean up off/on the NZ coast would be great, let alone down on the ice.
This vessel could be duel rolled as an interim SOPV type (until funding for purpose built) and rescue throughout the Realm of NZ, for example only, at $150mil US , The Aus Govt are using her at the moment.
To twist the topic for a bit
Last night I was part of a discussion on the ability of NZ to deal with a major sea based oil spill from a stricken vessel, be it aground or adrift. The discussion led to the lack of NZ based "ocean tow " ships. Harbor tugs are just that.
With the RNZN conducting Southern Ocean patrols and summer trips into McMurdo is it too far off to think NZ inc (RNZN) should have a vessel to assist if it all turns pear shaped, also looking at the future demands of the Southern Ocean. The cost in dollars of an Oil spill and clean up off/on the NZ coast would be great, let alone down on the ice.
This vessel could be duel rolled as an interim SOPV type (until funding for purpose built) and rescue throughout the Realm of NZ, for example only, at $150mil US , The Aus Govt are using her at the moment.
recce.k1
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Well we have a few former Kiwi "fish heads" on this forum
to provide better commentary than me, but I guess the sort of questions that come to mind are, yes we need to be better prepared, but should it be a RNZN owned and crewed vessel or someone else's? If the former, can it have other roles to make it worthwhile for the RNZN in terms of time spent at sea and doing ....? etc (if so what would be these roles? Eg basic training and handling at sea? Provision made for firefighting at sea? Provision for minelaying???), or if the latter, then which entity is best suited (and do we have such an entity anyway or would a new one need to be created or could it merged with say Coast Guard, or would CG say "not our role")?Also if you are part of a group discussing such maritime matters, can you guys bring in subject matter experts to discuss the practicalities and requirements required and opportunities etc? If so please keep us updated!
Finally perhaps another thing is, if there is an "all-of -govt" function, we saw how that turned out with the IPV's. Perhaps Navy might be understandably hesitant?
It's really simple, it's not a RNZN responsibility nor should it be.
Fish heads???? Are you sick of living? You a bloody stoker or something? Or even worse army?Well we have a few former Kiwi "fish heads" on this forum
Also if you are part of a group discussing such maritime matters, can you guys bring in subject matter experts to discuss the practicalities and requirements required and opportunities etc? If so please keep us updated!
Finally perhaps another thing is, if there is an "all-of -govt" function, we saw how that turned out with the IPV's. Perhaps Navy might be understandably hesitant?