Argentine navy future

StobieWan

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Seems as though the ARA San Juan has been located.


It said the navy made a “positive identification” by a remote-operated submersible belonging to American ship Ocean Infinity, which famously was involved in the hunt for MH370 plane.



Argentina: Submarine found sunk year after disappearing

I wonder what the readiness rate of the rest of the fleet is ? I get the impression they don't get a lot of sea days.
 

KiwiRob

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Argentina has just signed letter of intent with China to purchase a 136m 13,250dwt icebreaker, the yard has yet to be decided, there is also a possibility that it will be built in Rio Santiago under Chinese supervision.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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So, last week ARA Piedrabuena 52, the second OPV of the order of four, was launched at the Kership yard.
The first ship of the class ARA Bouchard, before modernisation in use by the Marine Nationale as the L'Adroit P725, is armed with a Giat 20 mm gun, but it seems that the new built vessels all getting something bigger, it looks like an Oto Melara Marlin 30 mm gun.

 
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ngatimozart

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Yes, I agree with you Musashi
@militarystripes Welcome to the forum. We have a set of rules here and one of them is that one line posts aren't allowed. We also like our posters to give reasons for their views so maybe you could explain why you agree with Musashi. We look forward to your continued involvement with us.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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This delivery is part of the contract signed by Naval Group with Argentina in 2018 for the delivery of four multi-mission patrol vessels of the Gowind-family. This second patrol vessel of the series acquired by the Argentine Navy, is the first new constructed warship for the Argentina Navy in decades. It offers the same assets and features as those of the first one, the A.R.A. Bouchard, which was in use with the Marine Nationale as the l'Adroit for six years.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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The last of the four Offshore Patrol Vessel 87 (OPV 87) ordered to Naval Group by the Argentine Navy, the A.R.A. Contraalmirante Cordero, has been launched this Tuesday 21 September at the Piriou Shipyard in Concarneau.

Two ships are already delivered to the Argentina Navy, A.R.A. Storni (the 3rd ship) was launched on 10 May 2021 and will be delivered next October.

These 87 meter long Offshore Patrol Vessels have a maximum speed of only 20 kts, but are able to stay on deep seas during more than three weeks.

 

Sandhi Yudha

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The Ministry of Defense (MoD) and Ministry of Security, will get about USD220 million more for defence.
This includes $17 million for helicopter projects for the coast guard.

The extra budget for the armed forces also includes a first payment of USD2 million for the recently purchased RBS-70NG missiles (for a total of about USD45 million), according to annexes in the decree.

Argentina ordered the RBS 70 NG in 2016, which made the country one of many which ordered the RBS 70 NG.



The joint training and exercises for submarine operations will be performed on Peruan submarines.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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As far as i know a part of the Argentina Navy is unserviceable because of the lack of funds, and the two surviving submarines are also not active anymore. So i have my doubts that they have the budget to buy a single submarine, let alone to have enough budget after the acquisition for operation and maintenance.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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Hopefully these two Sikorsky SH-3 Sea Kings do have enough flight hours left over, because Sikorsky had ended production of the type during the 1970s, so these oldtimers are more than 40 years old.

This is probably the most cost effective way to get two second hand medium utility helicopters for two years, for a navy which already operates the Sikorsky SH-3 Sea King.

 

Sandhi Yudha

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A.R.A. Contraalmirante Cordero has been delivered to the Argentine Navy yesterday on 13 April 2022. The A.R.A. Contraalmirante Cordero is the last vessel of the Gowind Bouchard Class of OPVs. It is part of the contract signed by Naval Group with Argentina in 2019 for the supply of four Offshore Patrol Vessels.

These 1450 ton Offshore Patrol Vessels are able to stay on high seas during more than three weeks (also in the cold waters of Antarctica), to reach a speed of 20 knots and to accommodate a helicopter.

 

Ananda

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Just add the video for that 4th OPV hand over ceremony. Well at least they can have better capabilities chasing off unwanted ilegal fishing.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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According to Defensenews, Argentina is involved in “advanced negotiations” to buy three new diesel-electric submarines, with an potential estimated minimum cost of $1,3 billion.

Advanced or not, these are still just negotiations.

The two surviving submarines in the fleet are probably too old and worn out to be overhauled and upgraded.
 

ngatimozart

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According to Defensenews, Argentina is involved in “advanced negotiations” to buy three new diesel-electric submarines, with an potential estimated minimum cost of $1,3 billion.

Advanced or not, these are still just negotiations.

The two surviving submarines in the fleet are probably too old and worn out to be overhauled and upgraded.
They can't fund fast jets for their air force, so how are they going to fund new subs?
 

swerve

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They can't fund fast jets for their air force, so how are they going to fund new subs?
That's deliberate political choices, not lack of economic capability.

Argentina's a middle-income country held back from being richer by political incompetence, but that still leaves plenty of money available for a couple of squadrons of fighters & a few submarines - if the politicians choose to make it available. Ships have rusted & sunk in harbour because the government refused to provide money for maintenance, not because there was no money to be had. IIRC military pensions & pay for senior officers have continuued to be fully funded. Peronist governments want the armed forces to be toothless, but not angry enough to be rebellious. They pay for fisheries protection vessels, because workers in the fishing industry wouldn't vote for them otherwise.

They're confident nobody will attack them, & fear coups.

Note that Argentina has almost twice the GDP of Chile. Compare the armed forces. Chile's make Argentina's look like a joke these days. Other countries which in theory have less economic ability to support military spending include Norway, Singapore, & the UAE. Greece has between a third & 40% of Argentina's GDP, depending on how you count it. Look at what Greece is buying at the moment. Frigates, fighters . . . .
 

SolarisKenzo

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Argentina was saved twice from economical default by the IMF.

Also, their public debt ( without taking into account the 2018 IMF loan ) is not exactly sustainable, considering their general economical situation.
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Their monetary politics is not exactly working out well too...

To compare Argentina with countries like Greece or the UAE is not a good comparison...
How can you compare Argentina with those countries? Greece is literally facing a decades long cold-war with Turkey and the UAE are buying military equipment as a way to improve relations with foreign countries.
 

swerve

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The fiasco of Argentina's public finances is entirely self-inflicted. The underlying economy has many strengths, but politicians who only care about power handicap them.

The comparison is valid. I was pointing out that the failure to raise the money for a squadron of jet fighters is not because of poverty, but a political choice. The UAE & Greece make different political choices, as does Chile.
 
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