I think you are pretty safe in thinking it is Bushmaster being bought, not Hawkei.
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I think you are pretty safe in thinking it is Bushmaster being bought, not Hawkei.
Yip did'nt/would'nt think so as even what he was talking about in terms of what they wanted to use them for better suited bushmaster over hawkei which is why his statement confused me. I learnt not to believe it until it happens from past experience, when I was in seemingly in the know pers continued to maintain we were still getting humvees even when the pinnys were being loaded on the ship. Sometimes even military has no clue what the military is upto haha.
t68
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Does the ADF really have an oversupply of Bushmaster PMV’s to fulfill a NZ buy?
How many are they looking to buy?
Redlands18
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@t68 the above post answers the question of numbers
The ADF received a total of 1052 Bushmasters against an original requirement for 370, so possibly some chance they may be able to surrender up 43 low Ks Vehicles.
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Novascotiaboy
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T68 the media reports were stating upwards of 43.
They do, because FORCOMD are implementing one of their traditionally poorly thought out ideas of reducing the PMV fleet to save on servicing costs. Apparently too many vehicles aren’t being driven enough km to meet servicing forecasts. The idea that, while you might not drive many km on each vehicle, when you do use the vehicles you need ALL of them at once is lost on FORCOMD.
Novascotiaboy
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Having a read of the 2017 2018 Defence Capability report noted on another thread of DT it notes the three vehicles acquired by NZSAS as Bushmaster, Supacat and Jankel? What version of the Jankel product line was acquired? Any insight would be appreciated.
Best guess would be the Jankel TIV to replace the black role Nissan Patrols that are no longer supported by Nissan. There is no other product in their line up that our SAS need besides providing armour kits for Supacat. Give it a month or two and someone will take a photo of it.
40 deg south
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Tactical Vehicles | Products | Jankel
Looks as if there are three armoured Toyotas in their Protected SUV range, and a Tactical Utility Vehicle (also Toyota-based) in their Tactical range.
It could be any of these, although given the description in the report of a 'Low profile/utility vehicle' I think the Tactical one is likely.
Looks as if they entered service in early 2018, so they are living up to their 'low profile' description!
Looks as if there are three armoured Toyotas in their Protected SUV range, and a Tactical Utility Vehicle (also Toyota-based) in their Tactical range.
It could be any of these, although given the description in the report of a 'Low profile/utility vehicle' I think the Tactical one is likely.
Looks as if they entered service in early 2018, so they are living up to their 'low profile' description!
40 deg south
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NZ issues RfI to advance its networked army - DB - Digital Battlespace - Shephard Media
Good write-up from Shephard Media on stage 2 of NZDF's big IT project.
Good write-up from Shephard Media on stage 2 of NZDF's big IT project.
40 deg south
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There have been some photos of soldiers playing around with small civilian drones in the past, but this video on the NZ Army Facebook page shows a big step forward. The unit is described as a SkyRanger R70.
https://flir.netx.net/file/asset/19050/original
It's made by FLIR Systems in the USA, and is primarily designed for short-range surveillance in day and night. Although it does have the ability to drop a 2kg payload... Looking at the spec sheet above, the biggest limitations are endurance (<50 minutes) and range (8km). Still a potentially valuable tool, and a good way to get more experience on unmanned systems.
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FLIR SkyRanger R60 - Cratos
Here is a blurb from the NZ distributor.
With the plan to increase army size by essentially a battalion group I wonder what this will mean in terms of mobility requirements? Will the "excess" NZLAV now not be considered surplus? Will fleet numbers of support vehicles now be increased to cater? Will future projects ie bushmaster adjust accordingly otherwise we could be left wanting. That goes for all equipment, infrastructure and support actually so could be a good time for a buy up or just stretch resources.
Be interesting to see where they base the new Bn? Co-locate with one of the existing bns or set up a new camp like wellys or Hamilton? either way expansion somewhere.
Be interesting to see where they base the new Bn? Co-locate with one of the existing bns or set up a new camp like wellys or Hamilton? either way expansion somewhere.
t68
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Increase to NZA?
Is this an actual increase or just trying to get to the authorised strength?
Actually Reg, at the present point in time I think that increasing the size of the army is a stuff up and not a priority. What is a priority is upgrading and increasing the maritime surveillance, strike capabilities, sealift and airlift of the RNZN and RNZAF. The NZLAV and the new tricks can't swim or fly on their own, so until the RNZN & RNZAF are given the capabilities to both transport, protect and sustain the army whilst it is in transit to its battles, and fighting its battles then what's the point if it's sunk at sea or shot out of the sky? Brutal but honest.
You want brutal but honest? There are elements in your government whose entire concept of defence revolves around stopping them at the beaches. No need for the Army to sail or fly, just drive.
The notion of arming to keep the threat at arms length doesn't seem to bring any response but accusations of buying "big boy's toys" (an epithet that they themselves would consider sexist if hypocrisy wasn't so rife in political circles)
Australia has had it's cycles of such thinking, currently and fortunately the domain of a few "academics"
oldsig
1000+ would explain the workload of select pers in certain units but since not too many units have (or will admit to) critical manning just yet then I feel it may actually be a mooted increase, pro word mooted, like anything I will believe it when I see it. Like police could merely just be smoke and mirrors and only just keep pace with attrition.
Agreed Ngati but just like an election process/promise/problem it's an easy sell and a great throw away line. I am sceptical it will happen in any realistic timeframe anyway so will just fall by the wayside. I think they have shown their hand wrt transport with the non selection of C17 and impending C130 purchase somewhat offset by the extra sealift announcement however but then I see that more as an availability soloution more than anything, the added options are more lessons learnt, natural progression and bonus features really.
I totally agree, and if some have their way there would be no defence force and no firearms in NZ. To many townies and most of those who lived through WW2 have died off, so the Kiwi baby boomers and their progeny don't care about defence, because they've never felt threatened. The ones who are most yappy about it and anti US, are the baby boomers who protested against the Vietnam War and passed that on to their progeny.
Sorry NG your so far of the mark, Army Combat Arms are nothing more than hollow units, people want a LPD or LHD fine but who is going to man it from Army when both Battalions can barely scrape two rifle companies per Battalion. I was talking to the RSM of 1RNZIR V Coy (HR) is full strength, A Coy is a Pl+ & W Coy has been disbanded Support Coy is also full strength to a point and CSS Coy is at minimum manning with 2CSS providing support when needed.
But what makes it worse this was a decision made post Afghan to concentrate recruitment on CSpt & CSS recruits and the reason given was simple Infantry can be trained relatively quickly. Riflemen yes they can but Infantry Commanders not so much we have surplus Section Comd, Pl Sgt, CQMS, WO2, Pl Comd, Coy 2ic and Coy Comds with no Infantry Soldiers that is the brutal reality of today's Combat Units.
No use having Naval & Air Mobility assets when you have no one to transport! and before anyone asks about the Reserve Battalions that ship sailed many years ago. So if they do raise recruitment it's going to take along time filling the gaps before they even get to the third Infantry BN.
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Novascotiaboy
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The three MAN wreckers were ordered in May. Anyone here heard or seen if they have arrived in country yet? There was one here in Halifax back in October on a rail flat bed but I couldnt find any identifying information on it. Was able to get very up close with it.
Hi cadre when you say W company is that a rifle company that has been disbanded. ?
also wondering what does CSS mean.?