Indian Navy Discussions and Updates
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No ski jump. Steam catapult for launching mig 29s?
Why is the navy over complicating the project? Building catapult technology, as well as a new ship is not easy.
But, I know next to nothing on shipbuilding thus I most likely am looking at it wrong.
The ski jump is there. Look closely.
So all the MiG-29K are expected to be there by next year.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/ins-vikramaditya-may-hit-delay-cost-increases-03283/
If I were India, I would cancel the Russian aircraft carrier, fully expecting a full refund. The price has rose too high for a second hand carrier. I would build two of India's home built carriers as quickly as possible, using the refunded funds to fund the second carrier. Go to a second or third shift if necessary.
If Russia balked at refunding the funds, cancel more projects. Eventually, they will agree to come to the table. At the table complain about Russian inability to meet any contract on time and within budget, much less address spares adequately. Leave no doubt in anyone's mind the Russian failed to deliver, and its their fault for the cancellation.
Frankly, considering the Russian slowness in retrofitting the second hand carrier, a new carrier could have been built during this time, I have serious doubts whether this shipyard can deliver any ship on time and within budget.
Last year the Russians need quite a bit more, but a year later they want much, much more to finish. With Russia's recent history, I would expect they would want more next year. Pull the plug!
Move on with India's home built carrier. In my eyes, its a better carrier.
If Russia balked at refunding the funds, cancel more projects. Eventually, they will agree to come to the table. At the table complain about Russian inability to meet any contract on time and within budget, much less address spares adequately. Leave no doubt in anyone's mind the Russian failed to deliver, and its their fault for the cancellation.
Frankly, considering the Russian slowness in retrofitting the second hand carrier, a new carrier could have been built during this time, I have serious doubts whether this shipyard can deliver any ship on time and within budget.
Last year the Russians need quite a bit more, but a year later they want much, much more to finish. With Russia's recent history, I would expect they would want more next year. Pull the plug!
Move on with India's home built carrier. In my eyes, its a better carrier.
They're not at war with anyone.Does anyone have information on INS VIRAAT exercise.BTW why do they take it out now,with weak air defence and sub capability the carrier is going to have very little protection
They don't have to.Do I really have to tell you that a rival power can try to test/snoop in their effectiveness/strategy
well see
Its still better than revealing the relatively little expertise/tactics that you have and still worse if you suffer humiliation.Just imagine if the Viraat suffers a breakdown considering it is 50 years old in the middle of the ocean,does the IN have the assets/expertise to handle such a situation???
You are still arguing that one should stop to train just because some assets are not available or something could go wrong.
And this is just nonsense.
Without proper training the assets you have are useless so you gain nothing from letting them do nothing just because you fear somebody could get some intelligence or because something could go wrong.
And this is just nonsense.
Without proper training the assets you have are useless so you gain nothing from letting them do nothing just because you fear somebody could get some intelligence or because something could go wrong.
Stop putting words in my mouth wayland.Read my post carefully and then reply.My point is only about the aircraft carrier and that it is simply too old and that it does not have proper air defence and sub escorts to carry out such a long range exercise.
Again Answer my question.If the carrier breaks down in another countries territorial waters (we all know the consequences of that) or in the middle of the ocean does the IN have the capability to bring it safely home???
I didn't put any words into you mouth.
Why shouldn't they train with it?
Can't let the carrier stay totally untrained till the new carriers arrive.
As for breaking down. Use an own tug or hire a civilian one for the duration of the exercise if the possibility of a breakdown is that big.
I just don't see the problem here.
Why shouldn't they train with it?
Can't let the carrier stay totally untrained till the new carriers arrive.
As for breaking down. Use an own tug or hire a civilian one for the duration of the exercise if the possibility of a breakdown is that big.
I just don't see the problem here.
and by the way guys this is not the first time that Indian Navy is operating an old second hand carrier. do you remember INS Vikrant the former HMS Invinsible.
the IN used it very effective in wartime and peacetime.
so i think the navy is very capable of handling any maritime crisis.
not to mention the Viraat is undergoing extensive refit and renovations to exten its life till 2012-2013.
Can India build the necessary carriers on time? It might not be possible.
I'm sure Russia would refund it, and then press the carrier into VMF service like it was done with the Algerian MiGs. The bad PR from not refunding it would be too much.
It can't. Sevmash has already lost it's director over the mess with the Gorshkov. Similar problems have happened with delivery of ships to the VMF from this and other shipyards. Russian ship-building is currently in very poor state.
I don't know if the rumors of a second price hike are true or not. I have not seen official confirmation from either side so far.
Vikrant was the former HMS Hercules, sold to India in 1957, 20 years before Invincible was launched. She'd never been finished, construction having been suspended at the end of WW2, & was completed for India to a modified design, including an angled deck & steam catapults, & commissioned in 1961.
I think British shipyards 50 years ago were more efficient than Sevmash today.
Invincible was launched 1977, & has been in the possession of the Royal Navy ever since. She's tied up in Portsmouth Harbour right now, where she's been since being put in reserve in 2005.
sorry my mistake.Vikrant was the former HMS Hercules, sold to India in 1957, 20 years before Invincible was launched. She'd never been finished, construction having been suspended at the end of WW2, & was completed for India to a modified design, including an angled deck & steam catapults, & commissioned in 1961.
I think British shipyards 50 years ago were more efficient than Sevmash today.
Invincible was launched 1977, & has been in the possession of the Royal Navy ever since. She's tied up in Portsmouth Harbour right now, where she's been since being put in reserve in 2005.
but my point is that this is the Indian navy, they always had second hand stuff and they know how make it work and make it work well !
Shivalik-class frigates ready for trial
Mumbai, Feb 08: The first of the three Shivalik-class stealth frigates being built at Mazagon Dock here is ready for sea trial in March-April and it would be delivered to the Indian Navy in the next few months.
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No face-off between Indian, Chinese Navies: Admiral Sureesh Mehta"We are taking the frigate for sea trials after March. We may deliver the frigate either before the monsoon or after the monsoon," an official of Mazagon Dock said.
"Delivery of the frigate during the monsoon will not be appropriate," the official said.
The Dock has begun work on the second and third frigates, too. The company expects to finish and deliver remaining frigates by 2010, the official said.
Mumbai, Feb 08: The first of the three Shivalik-class stealth frigates being built at Mazagon Dock here is ready for sea trial in March-April and it would be delivered to the Indian Navy in the next few months.
Related Stories
No face-off between Indian, Chinese Navies: Admiral Sureesh Mehta"We are taking the frigate for sea trials after March. We may deliver the frigate either before the monsoon or after the monsoon," an official of Mazagon Dock said.
"Delivery of the frigate during the monsoon will not be appropriate," the official said.
The Dock has begun work on the second and third frigates, too. The company expects to finish and deliver remaining frigates by 2010, the official said.
Vikrant wasn't really secondhand. She was new-built, bought incomplete & finished to IN specs. She'd never been in the water until launched for the IN.sorry my mistake.
but my point is that this is the Indian navy, they always had second hand stuff and they know how make it work and make it work well !
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I dont see a point in arguing with a banned member, but just wanted to agree with Waylander that there is no need for stoping the training for the sake of protecting the AC, there is no current threat scenario (except a vague terrorist threat raised a month or two back) as it is not a war time situation besides the idea that the Viraat cannot protect itself against regional threats is ridiculus as the primary objective of an Indian AC is air defense that is why the new ACs being built are being called Air Defense Ships, the Viraat was also fitted with BARACK SAMs in the last refit and carry the still formidable Sea Harriers whose job it is to give air cover for the carrier group as group air escorts (Sea Harriers in a no radar situation are almost indistiguishable with its new camo scheme as was demonstrated in a air excercise against rafales - the rafales won in the radar on situation though)