No ski jump. Steam catapult for launching mig 29s?OK, the keel laying ceremony is over, lets get in some pics of a definitive look by the shipyard shall we. It looks good.
The ski jump is there. Look closely.No ski jump. Steam catapult for launching mig 29s?
Why is the navy over complicating the project? Building catapult technology, as well as a new ship is not easy.
But, I know next to nothing on shipbuilding thus I most likely am looking at it wrong.
So all the MiG-29K are expected to be there by next year.UAC VP and RAC MiG Director-General Mikhail Aslanovich Pogosyan, who says that Indian naval pilots have been training in Russia since October 2008. The theory portion of the course is done, and:
“Indian pilots are already training to fly the MiG-29Ks from a shore-based facility. They have been doing even 15 sorties in a day during the winter. We expect the first four MiG-29Ks to arrive in India later this year, with the other 12 being delivered by 2010.”
They're not at war with anyone.Does anyone have information on INS VIRAAT exercise.BTW why do they take it out now,with weak air defence and sub capability the carrier is going to have very little protection
They don't have to.Do I really have to tell you that a rival power can try to test/snoop in their effectiveness/strategyThey're not at war with anyone.
Its still better than revealing the relatively little expertise/tactics that you have and still worse if you suffer humiliation.Just imagine if the Viraat suffers a breakdown considering it is 50 years old in the middle of the ocean,does the IN have the assets/expertise to handle such a situation???Yeah right, some assets are not available and I stop training the rest of my forces.
Makes sense in peacetime...
Stop putting words in my mouth wayland.Read my post carefully and then reply.My point is only about the aircraft carrier and that it is simply too old and that it does not have proper air defence and sub escorts to carry out such a long range exercise.Without proper training the assets you have are useless so you gain nothing from letting them do nothing just because you fear somebody could get some intelligence or because something could go wrong.
and by the way guys this is not the first time that Indian Navy is operating an old second hand carrier. do you remember INS Vikrant the former HMS Invinsible.I didn't put any words into you mouth.
Why shouldn't they train with it?
Can't let the carrier stay totally untrained till the new carriers arrive.
As for breaking down. Use an own tug or hire a civilian one for the duration of the exercise if the possibility of a breakdown is that big.
I just don't see the problem here.
Can India build the necessary carriers on time? It might not be possible.If I were India, I would cancel the Russian aircraft carrier, fully expecting a full refund. The price has rose too high for a second hand carrier. I would build two of India's home built carriers as quickly as possible, using the refunded funds to fund the second carrier. Go to a second or third shift if necessary.
I'm sure Russia would refund it, and then press the carrier into VMF service like it was done with the Algerian MiGs. The bad PR from not refunding it would be too much.If Russia balked at refunding the funds, cancel more projects. Eventually, they will agree to come to the table. At the table complain about Russian inability to meet any contract on time and within budget, much less address spares adequately. Leave no doubt in anyone's mind the Russian failed to deliver, and its their fault for the cancellation.
It can't. Sevmash has already lost it's director over the mess with the Gorshkov. Similar problems have happened with delivery of ships to the VMF from this and other shipyards. Russian ship-building is currently in very poor state.Frankly, considering the Russian slowness in retrofitting the second hand carrier, a new carrier could have been built during this time, I have serious doubts whether this shipyard can deliver any ship on time and within budget.
I don't know if the rumors of a second price hike are true or not. I have not seen official confirmation from either side so far.Last year the Russians need quite a bit more, but a year later they want much, much more to finish. With Russia's recent history, I would expect they would want more next year. Pull the plug!
Vikrant was the former HMS Hercules, sold to India in 1957, 20 years before Invincible was launched. She'd never been finished, construction having been suspended at the end of WW2, & was completed for India to a modified design, including an angled deck & steam catapults, & commissioned in 1961.and by the way guys this is not the first time that Indian Navy is operating an old second hand carrier. do you remember INS Vikrant the former HMS Invinsible..
sorry my mistake.Vikrant was the former HMS Hercules, sold to India in 1957, 20 years before Invincible was launched. She'd never been finished, construction having been suspended at the end of WW2, & was completed for India to a modified design, including an angled deck & steam catapults, & commissioned in 1961.
I think British shipyards 50 years ago were more efficient than Sevmash today.
Invincible was launched 1977, & has been in the possession of the Royal Navy ever since. She's tied up in Portsmouth Harbour right now, where she's been since being put in reserve in 2005.
Vikrant wasn't really secondhand. She was new-built, bought incomplete & finished to IN specs. She'd never been in the water until launched for the IN.sorry my mistake.
but my point is that this is the Indian navy, they always had second hand stuff and they know how make it work and make it work well !
I dont see a point in arguing with a banned member, but just wanted to agree with Waylander that there is no need for stoping the training for the sake of protecting the AC, there is no current threat scenario (except a vague terrorist threat raised a month or two back) as it is not a war time situation besides the idea that the Viraat cannot protect itself against regional threats is ridiculus as the primary objective of an Indian AC is air defense that is why the new ACs being built are being called Air Defense Ships, the Viraat was also fitted with BARACK SAMs in the last refit and carry the still formidable Sea Harriers whose job it is to give air cover for the carrier group as group air escorts (Sea Harriers in a no radar situation are almost indistiguishable with its new camo scheme as was demonstrated in a air excercise against rafales - the rafales won in the radar on situation though)I didn't put any words into you mouth.
Why shouldn't they train with it?
Can't let the carrier stay totally untrained till the new carriers arrive.
As for breaking down. Use an own tug or hire a civilian one for the duration of the exercise if the possibility of a breakdown is that big.
I just don't see the problem here.