Which do you think was/is the Greatest Empire ever?

[nzbm]

The British Empire would be the greatest empire in history, after the Roman empire of course.

 

[ajay_ijn]

The British Empire would be the greatest empire in history, after the Roman empire of course.

On what basis u guyz are thinking that British empire was greatest ever????Military expansion or Power.
Military expansion is not everything.
Some other factors would be Welfare of the people,Economy.
Are people really happy living under british??
If yes then it will be the greatest empire ever.

 

[nzbm]

Power. The British Empire and the British Pound was the currency of imperialism, and the currency of most trade until the end of WW2. Then the age of American imperialism began - and the US Dollar replaced the pound in its economic place...

 

[adsH]

The British never ruled with Power they had the Iron fist but they always chose to use Politics to handle situations; this was largely the reason why the British Empire stretched so many distant regions. Other Empires such as the Othman ruled with Iron fist all these Empires had a hierarchal Structure. All of them were great Empires of there time, that’s the reason why they’re in our history.

 

[adsH]

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2) Where in the muslim states were hindus, coptic christians, orthodox christians, christians, jews, pagans, catholics, buddhists able to practice in a formal place of worship?

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GF if you read history abit closer, you would realize that the Othman Toppled because there economy was top Heavy, there Internal Population of Christians and the Jews felt no Attachment to the state, the Jews and Christians had the Freedom and the rights awarded to them that any other Muslim was given(Jews and chistians were the Ritch ones in the economy). Almost all long lived Empires such as the British Empire have had Ethical system to allow some sort of freedom. The Mughulls Allowed the indigenous Hindu population to Preach and Practice there religion without any restrictions, they never forced converted anyone. the British Empire allowed Faiths to function under there rule.

To be more precise if you had looked at the Islamic Spain, the you would of realized that Muslims Christians and Jews lived in a welfare sate that gave each of its citizen equal rights to worship in there chose faiths.

 

[SABRE]

GF when Muslims were defeated in Spain they decided to go to Turkey. When they left Jews followed them to Spain saying that Christians r doing injustice to them, their properties have been taken, many of them r being killed & their worship places have been destroyed (also that of Muslims). Ottoman empire allowed them to live in the empire & not only that they appointed many jewish & christian officials fr army, burocracy & diplomacy. The empror allowed them freedom of religion.

When Khalifa (Kalif) Omar Ibne Khatab (Man responsible for the formation of Islamic empire out side Arabia & One of the Prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) most importent person) conquered Jerusilam, he decided to pay visit to holly sites where Jesus visited he also visited jewish sites. Whjen he went to the place of birth of Jesus he found garbage & rubbish there. He took the rubbish in his own hands & started throughing them out & oredered his soldiers & officers to follow.
He rejected to pray in side the Church which was built on the land where Jesus was born, he sayed that if he had after his death Muslims would have declared it holly site for Muslims, destroyed the church & would build a Mosque on it. Therefore he decided to pray out side the church.

& it is written & agreed fact that during Salaudin Ayub's rule over Israel/Palistaine/Joradan/Seriya/Egypt all non Mulsims were allowed their freedom of religion. No Jew or Christian was to be called Infeddles even though Crossadors refered to Muslims as infiddels.

 

[adsH]

I would have to agree that the U.S. has not reached empire status because it is not an empire, but a single nation. However, it is the richest nation there ever was. This is impressive. The U.S. has no provinces, and doesn't siphon the resources out of its provinces all for themselves. This is because they have no provinces. As Empire status goes, the romans top the list. Their influence and legacy is better documented then any civilization. Impressive for one that is 2000 years old. However, I do not understand why some of you people say that the British were the greatest empire. This is very false. The fact that they couldn't conquer their neighbors is uncontested proof that they were not all that great. What did the british conquer, India?, some poor asian countries, the caribbean islands? Taking over america when it was founded by spain (actually an italian) when there were half naked indians with bows and arrows. The Carribean islands? The british were too weak to conquer their neighbors, so they take on all these nations run by half naked tribesman. Conquering a half naked tribesman is nothing to boast about. I admit that it was impressive that the british gained all that territory and recources from a small island country, but a big reason for their success was because they modeled themselves after rome. They did things the roman way. (very tactical in war, conquering nations, senate/parliament system with a monarc/caesar, etc.) England is a great nation, but far from being the greatest empire. British people half to face the fact that their nations achievements were not the best of all time. Is it really that hard to not have so much pride? I am canadian, and I half to deal with being a citizen to the inferior nation in the north of the United States.

A small but effective force of Professional soldiers, is something i would have to attribute to the British, they concord India not through Armies but manipulations they ruled over Superior powers such as India Spain and the Othman of there century the So called Undefeatable Armies of the Othman were defeated (largely due to Internal Cohesion) but the brits did Outflank the Spanish armada, they innovated new Technologies and new ways of striking there opponents in ways never imagined.

 

[dsj]

The europeans were always the most civilized culture on earth since the days of the ancient greeks. They were always way more humane, democratic and usually more advanced than the asians. This remains true in the darkages and especially in the middle ages. The book "carnage and culture" addresses this issue. The no matter how strong the mongols were the europeans drove them back. china could have too if it wasn't that corrupt at the time. I can read chinese and know a lot about medieval chinese military and they were stronger than the mongols at the time as were the europeans. The mongols just rose at the right time and they were worse than hitler who have been scorned much by people throught the 20 th century. The west today is so modest that it didn't stand up to the bluffing and aggressions of the asians. And military buffs today all think that the asians were the best just because that they are curious about them and read some bluffing books about the asians. If something if forien, it must be better than ours.

 

[adsH]

The europeans were always the most civilized culture on earth since the days of the ancient greeks. They were always way more humane, democratic and usually more advanced than the asians. This remains true in the darkages and especially in the middle ages. The book "carnage and culture" addresses this issue. The no matter how strong the mongols were the europeans drove them back. china could have too if it wasn't that corrupt at the time. QUOTE]

I would attribute your Comments as mere ignorance; No one just appreciates other peoples Achievements without a cause. The Asians were civilized too, Middle East is the Birth Place of Civilization in-fact the City of Babylon the Birth Place of Civilization Located in Now Iraq. Your Spanner Comments don't seam to include the Hindu Civilization Which predates Any Significant Recorded History. Your comments don't indicate the Achievements by the Islamic Spain, Achievements that above all included, multicultural welfare society, Ship Building Sea Faring Navies and Trading across the world, there achievements in Modern Medicine like Anesthetics, The Word Algebra comes from the Egypt where the Whole concept of Modern Moths was formed, if you had studied Math’s then you would known that the Arabic Mathematical symbols were adopted into the Roman Symbols, which still is by far the Best ever produced. You don't seam to actually point out the Strives made by the Various Jewish Empires of the Time in the Vicinity of Jerusalem. Your comments don't indicate the Welfare culture the Spanish/ Othman and the Indian Mughal (Not Mongol, Mongolians). The Architectural wonders that were developed by Iranians like the Taj Mahel in India. Your Sheer Lack of appreciation of these cultures is just appalling. Go and read more then just one bias textbook. It’s the Duty of a historian to Record and Analyze History in the most Accurate manner, Unfortunately there are some that never choose to Honor this Tradition. This is a plague to humanity, because if we don’t record history as accurately possible then we only condemn our future generations to make those same mistakes again. Lessons lesson’s From the Past Yielded “United Nationsâ€, a cooperation that would prevent War and Allow Nations to discuss there problems rather then Fight out the Dispute.











The birthplace of civilization

8000 B.C.E. - 750 C.E. | 1095-1932 | 1933-2002 ​

8000-6000 Before Common Era
Agricultural development thrives in the "Fertile Crescent."

5000-2350 B.C.E.
Sumer, a loosely organized league of city-states, springs up in the southern part of Mesopotamia. Its capital, Ur, is thought to be the birthplace of Abraham, the patriarch of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Around 3000, writing is developed independently in Mesopotamia and Egypt. Mesopotamian boatmen seal their barges with black pitch that bubbles from the ground; people decorate their temples with bitumen, a byproduct of distilled petroleum.

2000-1800
Abraham leads Israelites from Mesopotamia into Canaan, in modern-day Israel.

1962-1600
Mesopotamia is divided into rival states, Babylon in the south, Assyria to the north.

1704-1662
Babylon's King Hammurabi writes a detailed law code.

854
Assyrian records first mention Arabs, nomads who herd sheep and goats in the deserts of the Arabian Peninsula south of Mesopotamia.

730
Assyrian empire expands from the Persian Gulf to Egypt and Asia Minor, including Mesopotamia and today's Israel.

THE EMPIRES

587
Under King Nebuchadnezzar, Babylonians take Syria from Egypt and conquer Judea. Babylonians destroy the FirstTemple in Jerusalem and take the Israelites into slavery.

539
Persia (modern-day Iran) conquers Babylon and sends the Jews back to reconstruct Jerusalem and build the SecondTemple.

331
Alexander the Great conquers Persia and creates a commercial center in Babylon.

163 B.C.E-114 Common Era
Roman armies add Persian territories to their expanding empire.

224-637 C.E.
Sassanians form a revitalized Persian empire, with Mesopotamia at its core. Pagans, Christians, Jews and Buddhists worship alongside Zoroastrians, whose ancient religion is the official faith.

570
Islam's founder, Mohammed, is born.

622
Mohammed begins recruiting followers to his monotheistic faith.

632
Mohammed dies in Medina, in what is now Saudi Arabia.

634-637
In the name of Islam, an Arab army conquers Syria, Egypt, Mesopotamia, Palestine and Persia and rules from Damascus.

694-750
Mesopotamians revolt against Arabic rule from Damascus. Jafar al-Mansur, a caliph from Mohammed's family, builds a new capital, Baghdad, which becomes a trading center for Islamic Empire.

FROM THE MONGOLS TO INDEPENDENCE


1095-1192
Christian knights from Europe launch three Crusades, attacking Islam in the Holy Land and Middle East. Baghdad is largely ignored, although Turks recruit soldiers there.

1219-1227
Mongols led by Genghis Khan storm from the steppes of central Asia into what is now Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan. Irrigation systems in place since the Sumerians are demolished and lush fields along the Tigris and Euphrates revert to desert.

1258
Mongols leave after looting Baghdad.

1300
Timur the Lame (Tamerlane), believing himself a direct descendant of Genghis Khan, returns to conquer Mesopotamia; the region lapses into decay.

1281-1453
Ottoman Turks rise to power and conquer Constantinople, the last Christian stronghold in the East.

1501-1508
Shia Islam is declared the official faith of Persia (Iran). Shiites briefly seize part of Mesopotamia, hoping to control two Shia holy cities, Najaf and Karbala. Ottomans maintain the region as a Sunni-controlled buffer state for the empire. But Sunni religious sites are desecrated, and violence begins.

1516-1566
A Sunni, Suleyman the Magnificent, gains firm control of Mesopotamia.

1774-1792
Muhammad bin Abdel-Wahhab, a fundamentalist Muslim, joins the court of Mohammed ibn Saud, ruler of what is now Saudi Arabia. The Wahhabis move on Mesopotamia, converting desert Arabs to Shiism. Ottomans retain power, relying on Sunnis in Baghdad and other cities.

1831
Bubonic plague and floods devastate Baghdad. Water surges over banks of the Tigris, disintegrating hundreds of public buildings and mosques made of mud brick.

1831-1869
During a period of Ottoman decline, Baghdad has more than 10 governors.

1869
Suez Canal opens; Britain gains a major share in order to protect sea routes to India.

1914
World War I begins.

1915-1916
Damascus Protocol would form an Arab state after the war, encompassing the Arabian Peninsula, Palestine and what is now Syria, Lebanon and Iraq. But secret Sykes-Picot Agreement between Britain and France puts Ottoman lands under joint control, with Iraq going to Britain.

1917
British Maj. Gen. Sir Stanley Maude marches toward Baghdad, promising Arab allies in the countryside control over their own affairs.

1918
World War I ends.

1919
League of Nations makes Iraq and Palestine mandates entrusted to Britain. Syria goes to France.

1920
Arabs, including nationalists in Baghdad and Kurdish minorities, stage violent demonstrations and strikes against British rule.

1921
Cairo Conference names the country Iraq, which it sometimes was called in antiquity. Faisal, son of the Sharif of Mecca, is declared king, with Britain maintaining administrative control.

1922-1927
Wahhabis from the Arabian Peninsula periodically raid tribesmen in the south of Iraq. The British chase them back into Arabia with Model T Fords mounted with machine guns.

1923
London includes Kurds in oil-rich northern Mosul Province in the Iraqi state with proviso they hold government positions in Kurdish areas and the Kurdish language be preserved.

1924
Elections are held for a representative assembly under the monarchy.

1925
League of Nations extends Iraqi treaty with Britain to 25 years to protect Kurds. Reza Shah Pahlavi ascends the Peacock Throne in Iran. Urged on by Britain, Iraq and Iran negotiate a boundary agreement. Oct. 3, 1932
Iraq gains independence.



September, 1933
King Faisal dies. Ghazi, 21, his playboy son, takes throne.

1936
Failed coup attempt.

1937
Saddam Hussein born.

1939
King Ghazi dies in car crash. His toddler son, Faisal II, becomes king.

1941
British send troops to Baghdad after second coup attempt.

May 14, 1948
Israel declares independence. Iraq sends troops when Arabs declare war the following day.

July, 1958
Dissidents under Gen. Abdel Karim Qasim overthrow the monarchy and execute the king. Iraq is declared a republic with Qasim its prime minister.

1958-1962
There are 29 known coup attempts against Qasim government.

October 7, 1959
Saddam part of Baathist coup attempt, which fails.

February, 1963
Baathists overthrow Qasim, execute communists and Kurds.

November, 1963
Military overthrows Baathists.

1968
Baathists regain power. As Deputy Secretary-General of the Baath Party, Saddam involved in exiling rival leaders.

1969
Saddam is appointed deputy chairman of the Revolutionary Command Council and vice president, becoming driving force in regime of President Ahmed Hassan Al-Bakr, his cousin.

1970
Baath government agrees to an autonomous region in the north for Kurds, but it never is implemented.

1972-1980
Iraq deports 200,000 Shiites, Turkmen and Kurds to Iran.

1974-1975
Government reportedly uses phosphorous shells against Kurds; two Kurdish villages are razed, and 8,000 Kurds disappear from another. The Kurds are crushed, but continue guerrilla activities.

July 16, 1979
Al-Bakr is forced to retire and Saddam becomes president.

July-August, 1979
Hundreds of Baathist party leaders and army officers are accused of plots against Saddam and executed.

1980
Saddam invades Iran.

February, 1987-August, 1988
Saddam appoints a cousin, Ali Hassan al-Majid, to "take care of" the Kurds. In the ensuing campaign, thousands of villages are razed and an estimated 180,000 Kurds disappear. Thousands more die when Kurdish villages on the Turkish border are gassed.

1990
Iraq restores diplomatic relations with Iran.

A BUILDUP OF AGGRESSION

August 1990
Iraqi troops invade Kuwait, declaring it Iraq's 19th province.

January-February 1991
U.S. and U.N. coalition forces retake Kuwait. U.N. imposes economic sanctions.

April 1991
Iraq accepts cease-fire. Allied troops withdraw. "No-fly" zones are created.

July 1991
Saddam Hussein, citing Iraqi sovereignty, rejects U.N. offer to sell oil to buy food and medicine as hunger and disease become widespread.

June 1991
U.N. chemists, biologists and weapons experts begin inspections aimed at disarming Iraq.

June 1991
Amnesty International urges Kurdish leaders to stop killing and mutilating prisoners in their custody.

1992
Iraqi troops march on Shiite shrine cities of Najaf and Karbala and force the grand ayatollah to denounce rebellion there. U.N. later reports many clerics are killed, with administrators put in charge of Shiite mosques.

1993
Saddam River Irrigation Project dams the Tigris and Euphrates, draining Shiite marshlands. U.N. calls it "the environmental crime of the century."

1993
Evidence surfaces of plans to assassinate former President Bush during April visit to Kuwait.

1996
Saddam accepts oil-for-food plan after U.N. estimates a quarter of Iraqi children suffer malnutrition.

March 1997
First shipment of food, chickpeas and white flour arrives.

1998
Iraq Sanctions Challenge, a coalition of U.S. opposition groups, delivers first shipment of medical supplies to Iraq in violation of sanctions.

December 1998
Because British/American bombing is soon to commence in retaliation for Iraq's lack of cooperation with weapons inspectors, U.N. pulls inspectors from Iraq.

December 1998
President Clinton orders Operation Desert Fox — the bombing of Saddam's Republican Guards — to force complete accounting of weapons.

Sept. 11, 2001
Attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon.

Jan. 29, 2002
In State of the Union address, President Bush denounces Iraq, Iran and North Korea as an "axis of evil."

Oct. 16, 2002
Bush signs a resolution authorizing the use of armed forces against Iraq.

November 2002
U.N. calls for renewed weapons inspections and puts Iraq on notice to allow inspectors back into the country by Dec. 23 or face "serious consequences." Saddam agrees. December 2002
Inspectors return to Iraq.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/nation-world/usiraq/timeline/





Can anyone confirm if the Calif Mentioned Above Jafar al-Mansur was from the Prophet Mohamed’s family I thought that was the main Dispute amongst Shia And Sun’nies, the SHia believe in a divine Line of the Prophet as there leadership and the Arabs don’t.


militraies are Professional Institutions they relly on accurate Data, They utilize history to see the mistakes of the past as lessons to be learnt.

 

[redsoulja]

DSJ what are you talking about, are you out of your ignorant euro-centric racist mind, the Egyptians, Mesopotamians, Indus Valley and the Chinese were the First four great civilizations, heck when the Asians and Africans had such advanced cultures with massive literature, cities, large collosal buildings Europe simply consisted of barbaric nomadic tribes that were extremely primitive, other than Stonehenge there is very little great feats that teh Europeans committed. The Europeans only ruled the world because they were much more efficient at perpetrating violence against the rest of the world. They did not rule because of their religion, culture, history, or literature, they ruled with the gun. All the great religions were founded in Asia and Africa not Europe.I am not saying Europeans are the only violent ones, I'm just saying everyone can be violent for it is in the human nature. To assume that one group of humans is superior to other s is purely ignorance, and even when you look at the facts, the great civilizations before Greece were all African or Asian. And the west isn't modest today as no human civilization at its peak was ever modest, there are always exceptions. About Mongols being violent, what about the slavery of over 20 million African human beings? What about the millions of dead vietnamese? What about the numerous authoritarian regimes that the West has propped all over the rest of the world in order to maintain economic and geopolitical superiority, the very same regimes who have prevented the natural rise of democracy? These regimes prevent the developing world form achieving the same revolutions that the West achieved earlier. Webs i am sorry if i got a bit out of hand, this guy's racial ignorance just got my blood boiling!!!

 

[adsH]

DSJ what are you talking about, are you out of your ignorant euro-centric racist mind, the Egyptians, Mesopotamians, Indus Valley and the Chinese were the First four great civilizations, heck when the Asians and Africans had such advanced cultures with massive literature, cities, large collosal buildings Europe simply consisted of barbaric nomadic tribes that were extremely primitive, other than Stonehenge there is very little great feats that teh Europeans committed. The Europeans only ruled the world because they were much more efficient at perpetrating violence against the rest of the world. They did not rule because of their religion, culture, history, or literature, they ruled with the gun. All the great religions were founded in Asia and Africa not Europe.I am not saying Europeans are the only violent ones, I'm just saying everyone can be violent for it is in the human nature. To assume that one group of humans is superior to other s is purely ignorance, and even when you look at the facts, the great civilizations before Greece were all African or Asian. And the west isn't modest today as no human civilization at its peak was ever modest, there are always exceptions. About Mongols being violent, what about the slavery of over 20 million African human beings? What about the millions of dead vietnamese? What about the numerous authoritarian regimes that the West has propped all over the rest of the world in order to maintain economic and geopolitical superiority, the very same regimes who have prevented the natural rise of democracy? These regimes prevent the developing world form achieving the same revolutions that the West achieved earlier. Webs i am sorry if i got a bit out of hand, this guy's racial ignorance just got my blood boiling!!!

YOu can't Just Say that Europe has Had some great Empires too, Greeks Romans and the Brits

 

[dsj]

DSJ what are you talking about, are you out of your ignorant euro-centric racist mind, the Egyptians, Mesopotamians, Indus Valley and the Chinese were the First four great civilizations, heck when the Asians and Africans had such advanced cultures with massive literature, cities, large collosal buildings Europe simply consisted of barbaric nomadic tribes that were extremely primitive, other than Stonehenge there is very little great feats that teh Europeans committed. The Europeans only ruled the world because they were much more efficient at perpetrating violence against the rest of the world. They did not rule because of their religion, culture, history, or literature, they ruled with the gun. All the great religions were founded in Asia and Africa not Europe.I am not saying Europeans are the only violent ones, I'm just saying everyone can be violent for it is in the human nature. To assume that one group of humans is superior to other s is purely ignorance, and even when you look at the facts, the great civilizations before Greece were all African or Asian. And the west isn't modest today as no human civilization at its peak was ever modest, there are always exceptions. About Mongols being violent, what about the slavery of over 20 million African human beings? What about the millions of dead vietnamese? What about the numerous authoritarian regimes that the West has propped all over the rest of the world in order to maintain economic and geopolitical superiority, the very same regimes who have prevented the natural rise of democracy? These regimes prevent the developing world form achieving the same revolutions that the West achieved earlier. Webs i am sorry if i got a bit out of hand, this guy's racial ignorance just got my blood boiling!!!

racist? the whole books called carnage and culture a national bestseller completely agrees with my point. mabe you would like to appear on the angry reader list of the author's site and see what victor davis hanson have to say about you. Just calling someone nice and strong and free isn't being racist. Vietnam was attacked as a result of their own aggression. Your ideas are exactly what hanson laughs at. I've met another one of you guys. Interesting.

 

[The Watcher]

dsj, you apparently over look the european dark ages which lasted well over 3 centuries and periods before that. every civilization has its golden period and its dark period and im sure europeans went through the same. they were at some point in time did some things which would be considered backwards in todays standard. civilized? i dont know about that. look at the ways they waged wars (crusades?) over 65,000 civilians died in one crusade alone, and then their stomachs were slit open to see if they swallowed any gold coins....(by your standards you would consider those people savages) !!! then look at the way they waged wars among themselves and not to forget the barbaric act of witch hunt that took place in europe and in UK. innocent women were killed because of superstitious beliefs in witches.

 

[dsj]

I would attribute your Comments as mere ignorance; No one just appreciates other peoples Achievements without a cause. The Asians were civilized too, Middle East is the Birth Place of Civilization in-fact the City of Babylon the Birth Place of Civilization Located in Now Iraq. Your Spanner Comments don't seam to include the Hindu Civilization Which predates Any Significant Recorded History. Your comments don't indicate the Achievements by the Islamic Spain, Achievements that above all included, multicultural welfare society, Ship Building Sea Faring Navies and Trading across the world, there achievements in Modern Medicine like Anesthetics, The Word Algebra comes from the Egypt where the Whole concept of Modern Moths was formed, if you had studied Math’s then you would known that the Arabic Mathematical symbols were adopted into the Roman Symbols, which still is by far the Best ever produced. You don't seam to actually point out the Strives made by the Various Jewish Empires of the Time in the Vicinity of Jerusalem. Your comments don't indicate the Welfare culture the Spanish/ Othman and the Indian Mughal (Not Mongol, Mongolians). The Architectural wonders that were developed by Iranians like the Taj Mahel in India. Your Sheer Lack of appreciation of these cultures is just appalling. Go and read more then just one bias textbook. It’s the Duty of a historian to Record and Analyze History in the most Accurate manner, Unfortunately there are some that never choose to Honor this Tradition. This is a plague to humanity, because if we don’t record history as accurately possible then we only condemn our future generations to make those same mistakes again. Lessons lesson’s From the Past Yielded “United Nationsâ€, a cooperation that would prevent War and Allow Nations to discuss there problems rather then Fight out the Dispute.

I never said that the east didn't have anything, that europe was always ahead of them at least in terms of military power. I again DIDNT say that the asians were completely fruitless, just that europe was always ahead of them at least in military power and democratic state.

 

[redsoulja]

Adsh yeah i agree completely that they have had great civs but that does not give him the right to be ignorant posting such crap, specifically when the Middle East was the cradle of civilization.
Just because millions of Americans and British buy book about Western superiority doesnt necessarily mean the West is greater than the rest. And I also don't agree with this author.

 

[dsj]

Adsh yeah i agree completely that they have had great civs but that does not give him the right to be ignorant posting such crap, specifically when the Middle East was the cradle of civilization.
Just because millions of Americans and British buy book about Western superiority doesnt necessarily mean the West is greater than the rest. And I also don't agree with this author.

It's not right to call someone's posts crap. I no longer have the time to argue with you. Go to victor hanson's site and argue with him and join the angry readers. I think you are one of what he calls "Islamicist" If you are one, I'm not interested in hearing your fanatical aggression.

 

[redsoulja]

Now youre making an assumption that I'm a muslim, and calling me a fanatic??? Personally I'm not an Islamist but if being one is wrong so is being euro-centric.

 

[srirangan]

Dsj,

Civilization first began in:
- Egypt
- Sumeria (Iraq/Iran)
- Indus-Saraswati (Sindh, Gujarath, Rajasthan Punjab in South Asia), and
- China

I think you will agree none of these regions lie in Europe. These regions saw civilization while the rest of the wrold, including Europe, lived as barbaric tribals. So your claim of European Civilizational Superiority cannot be justified.

 

[adsH]

It's not right to call someone's posts crap. I no longer have the time to argue with you. Go to victor hanson's site and argue with him and join the angry readers. I think you are one of what he calls "Islamicist" If you are one, I'm not interested in hearing your fanatical aggression.

I'm sorry I didn't know You carried so much Aggression against the "Islamics", well anyways. Can you email the Author Ask him about the “Undefeatable Armies of the Othmanâ€, Can you ask him why the Spanish Armada Ruled the Sea at one time. Can you ask him why the Persians had been regarded in history as great Warriors. Could you ask him why the Indian Mughall Armies were regarded as one of the most powerful armies in the Region?.

Alexander the Great him self considered the Indian Rajas as brilliant generals of there time

. Every Empire is based on some sort of Power centre, that Centre requires Authority, Military is that authority. And every Empire has its peak then its demise.

 

[SABRE]

Dsj,

Civilization first began in:
- Egypt
- Sumeria (Iraq/Iran)
- Indus-Saraswati (Sindh, Gujarath, Rajasthan Punjab in South Asia), and
- China

I think you will agree none of these regions lie in Europe. These regions saw civilization while the rest of the wrold, including Europe, lived as barbaric tribals. So your claim of European Civilizational Superiority cannot be justified.

Totaly agreeed;

All I know is that Sumeria/Babylon/Iraq is the oldest recorded civilization in the world today.
Egypt came later.

Empror Qin (Chin) founded the Qin empire in China & all I know is that was waaaayyyyy long ago.

Indus-Saraswati is about 5000 yrs old. PS not to forget the advent aryans in South Asia.

5000 yrs back as always Europe was in dark ages. Civilizations existed only in great cities like Rome, Athens, Troy, Sparta. Even the lands that surrounded these cities were barbaric. Romans fought many wars with Barbarian tribes.

When the Turkish Muslim Kalif sent his embassador to some European country the people over there asked him that they have herd that he can DRAW what people speek. That means they did not even have sense of writing 1400 years ago. My friend tells me that a movie was also made on this Embassador. Its called 13th Warrior (I have yet to see it).

But I have a question? R we dicussing civilizations here or empires? I think both r inter-related in should be discussed togather.