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When America’s Stealth Monopoly Ends, What's Next?
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No, sorry there is also a Boeing product that is a modern fly by wire state of the art aircraft with twin engines each producing 115,300lb thrust. That doesn't make it automatically better or faster than the ruski design - in this case it just means that 365 people can fly 14,650km all in the same tin can: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/pf/pf_lrproduct.html
Just because an aircraft has higher thrust engines it doesn't then make it automatically faster better or whatever. There is the small matter of aerodynamics, frontal area, mass etc. All of these factors will impact on speed, manouvrability, accelleration etc.
It's dangerous to draw conclusions on bare specs as to which aircraft is better.
shockwave11
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no doubt they will
but may be some country like Yugoslavia,Cuba,Vietnam, or may be Iran
shot down them like they have done in past
i,m not sure
but may be :unknown
shockwave11
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come on man you have quiet good knowledge on aerodynamics
so i think you also know what is the performance of AL-31 117S engines
the AL-41 Will gona be the successor of those engines
"Please try to understand before one of us dies..."
You're new in this forum so try to learn. First of all you don't know what these engines are capable of, secondly even if you knew, it would mean very little for the performance of the weapon system PAK-FA.
Well if they manage to shoot down a couple out of THOUSANDS of sorties, then, at least, their equipment won't be COMPLETELY useless.
Yugoslavia, Cuba, Vietnam, etc... they were complete domination, we had near impunity...shockwave11
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i,m sorry i,m not getting what do you wana say exactly
i think you are worried about system of PAK-FA
Well the R77 has more range then AIM-120 in BVR
and the R73 has more range then AIM-9 in WVR
I think that means Russians are better hear
:Not worred about PAKFA at all, actually. Why would I? As Abe said it will probably be similar to Eurofighter or Super Hornet Block II, in terms of capability.i,m sorry i,m not getting what do you wana say exactly
i think you are worried about system of PAK-FA
Well the R77 has more range then AIM-120 in BVR
and the R73 has more range then AIM-9 in WVR
I think that means Russians are better hear
Unless I'm mistaken, the R-77 hasn't had any seeker upgrades since the early 1990's; thus it is really comparable to the Aim-120A/B variants which are no longer used. The Aim-120 has had its seeker upgraded six times during that period, now with a two way datalink, and a new booster to boot.
As for R-73 last time I checked, it still relies on analogue rotating reticule technology last seen in the west on the outdated AIM-9L/M. If range were everything, we would of kept the Aim-54C. I believe Carlo Kopp once said that the Aim-54C on the Tomcat made ALL other aircraft obsolete.... how wrong he was.
I'll keep my C-7, & -132, thanks.
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shockwave11
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that,s greatWell if they manage to shoot down a couple out of THOUSANDS of sorties, then, at least, their equipment won't be COMPLETELY useless.
but let me told that what ever they have done
they have done with very old Russian technology
think about state of the art Russian arma & weapons
shockwave11
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Great u knowledge is Quit impressive
you sad PA-KFA will probably be similar to Eurofighter or Super Hornet Block II, in terms of capability.
ok tell me what do think about SU-35 & Su-30MKI(Indian Sukhoi)
shockwave11
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ok what does this means R-73 is no so maneuverable or it is prone to ECM
in case you missed it
Apparently you haven't read enough.If APA is rubbish then why does Wing CMDR Mills support the study??? You have the wrong assumption that no one from the Govt supports them.Go figure out about RAND study and Dr.Stillion and also what defense news has to say.On top of this APA gets 200000 search hits a day.
shut up
If a moderator suffers from mental retardation and starts posting nonsense comments then I cannot call it fun.Oh give me a break don't even bother talking to me about sarcastic sense of humor.:nutkickIts called humour, albeit sarcastic in nature. Mods are human too and the sarcasm was warranted. Go ahead try it sometime - it might put a smile on your dial...
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Abraham there is a word in english called Prudent.Try finding out its meaning and more importantly exercising it
Okay, lets forget about the actual capabilities of PAK-FA, F-22, or any future stealth aircraft on the drawing board for that matter. You have to think about how many of these planes a country can build. America's stealth "monopoly" might be coming to an end, but that only means its just facing competition. I'm sure the PAK FA will be a fine fighter but how many can the Russian economy build and how quickly? On the other hand, the F-35 has several economies pouring loads of cash into the program. So yeah, the US "monopoly" may have ended but it will still pack the most punch until a comparable military-industrial complex develops.
the road runner
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Saadm welcome to the forum.All i can say is try and listen to what some of the Senior forum members have to say(you will learn alot).Abraham there is a word in english called Prudent.Try finding out its meaning and more importantly exercising it
You think i need to read more of APA?Sorry but i would rather rub sand paper on my b@!!$.Try and come here with an open mind and attitude.
Wing CMNDR Mills lol i saw him on the ABC report talking about F18 Vs Su30,what a joke that was.He talked about how an F18 would be a sitting duck.
First .....he was talking about a platform Vs platform(F18 Vs Su30)
So Saadm my question to you is will the F18 just go up against a Su30 with no other assets in the package? WILL IT?(are you Australian saadm?)
And there is an old saying.......you catch more flys with honey than you do vinegar.try and be diplomatic and show manners to other forum members.
Were all here to learn from one another
Shockwave11 i consoider the Su30 to be a exceptional strike/fighter,and awsome aircraft but in the 21st century,Aircraft that have a large radar cross section will be sitting ducks.The Su30 has a Radar cross section of about 4.5 meters,a massive RCS.This i see as a major issue/weakness, when going up against Aircraft like the F18EFG.
the road runner
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I think that the US monopoly on LO will just get stronger.
1)They have produced a number of quality/battle changing aircraft.
2)They are at the cutting edge of LO
3)There economy has the funds to finance these types of projects
4)USA has a greater knowlage of LO than anyone else.
5)It has produced F-117,B-1,B-2,F-22,F-18EFG ,JSF,all having different forms of LO
The way i see it everyone else is playing catch up and vying for second place.