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US Navy News and updates

Discussion in 'Navy & Maritime' started by AegisFC, Jul 3, 2008.

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  1. Ranger25

    Ranger25 Active Member

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    Agreed , and the budget reflects a very sharp increase in LRASM purchases as well as new speakers for the maritime strike TLAM and new purchases for the NSM


    As China expands navy, US begins stockpiling ship-killing missiles
     
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    Littoral Combat Ships | Why Is the Navy Is Retiring Ships Early?

    USN plan to retire 4 LCS to save operational budget to be used as additional Investment budget. Still this is relatively young ships, wonder if they can attract some buyers overseas. I now they are relative light armed for their size, but still have good sensors and electronics.
     
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    Basically the USN is acknowledging the LCS is a failure. Mission modules are missing, they are tough on crews, and reliability is questionable. Only now are they getting some better weapons kit. LCS sailors will enjoy the new frigates.
     
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    Something a few of us have been commenting about for some time. While the concept first came about in the late 1990's, it seems that it really got going when Rumsfeld was SecDef, not unlike some of the transformational plans for the US Army, namely the Stryker family of vehicles and associated formations the Stryker Brigades.
     
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    Yeah, LCS was a project that US Defense Planners put on basic assumption that peace dividend with Russia will hold, and an assumption that hugely underestimate China abilities to field large Navy as potential adversaries in relative short period.

    LCS basically a Frigate size OPV that being put on area that increasingly will face USN peer strength opposition. They should never drop Frigates for this.
    Still if they are going to offer those to overseas customers, depends on how much US going to put the price on, it still be attractive buy for countries that will not going to face large Navy opposition. Perhaps some in South America or even Gulf and North Africa.
     
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    The LCS is designed for high speed transit and operations (with limited endurance) ahead a CBG, which no other regional navy needs. See this 2010 CBSA paper: Littoral Combat Ship: An Examination of Its Possible Concepts of Operations

    IMHO, Saudi Arabia’s purchase of 4 Lockheed Martin vessels armed as frigates is a mistake in force planning. With a different design, they could have made better trade-offs for speed, with other weapons or sensor fit outs.
     
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    Those 4 are the first four which are basically non standardised and had all the problems. They're costing the USN a lot of money to keep in service and it is not financially viable to upgrade them to the standard of the other LCS, so their cutting their losses.
     
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    On the whole, any USN ship building programs have some issues that needs effort to resolve. The US Congress gave the US Navy US$1.3 billion in Fiscal Year 2020 to buy the lead ship for the FFG(X) programme, for which the US Navy is still in the process of selecting a shipbuilder. The US Navy is currently considering bids for the program. Austal USA proposed a design based on its Independence-variant LCS. Fincantieri and its Marinette Marine shipyard in Wisconsin proposed a design based on Fincantieri’s FREMM Italian frigate design. General Dynamics Bath Iron Works and Spanish shipbuilder Navantia are pairing on a bid based on the F100 frigate design. And Huntington Ingalls Industries proposed a design it has not talked publicly about. See: Navy Budgeting $1.1B for 2nd Frigate as Timeline Slows - USNI News

    Though lower than the cost of the lead FFG(X) ship, the US$1.1 billion for the second ship is above the ultimate cost goal of US $800 million (constant year 2018 dollars) for the average follow ships (i.e. ships 2-20). The threshold cost for average follow ships is $950M (constant year 2018 dollars). The US Navy’s new acquisition profile, as outlined in the FY 2021 budget request, would buy just one a year in 2021 and 2022, go up to two in 2023 and 2024, and then go up to three frigates in 2025.

    Finally some good news for the troubled Ford class carrier program. Michael Fabey writing for Jane's Navy International, on 5 Feb 2020 has reported that USS Ford has completed aircraft compatibility testing. This class of Super Carriers are intended to sustain 160 sorties per day for 30-plus days, with a surge capability of 270 sorties per day. See: Carrier Ford completes aircraft compatibility testing | Jane's 360
     
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    One way to sort it out would be for STS to give one to the RAN to independantly trial. That way the RAN could basically put it through all the hoops and test it thoroughly without any input from STS. The RAN could do the testing up the top end with the USMC. If it stacks up good. If it doesn't sobeit.
     
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    Vessels similar to this have been in operation for a while ..... we know the issues. I will go back to the big one .... your back side is on the beach and so are your props.