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StobieWan

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Redshift said:
No capacity in any UK yards whatsoever
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Babcock could probably churn out a couple of Type 31 to some spec or another fairly rapidly - or at least, well within the time scale projected. Given Babcock are already making complex hull assemblies for the Virginias.

Their order book for the existing run of Type 31 is about half way through. Unlikely choice if they wanted to run 10 or 20 out the door but if they just need a working couple delivered, even if just ready to be fitted out in the states, could work.

We both know there's zero chance that the design won't be overhauled however :)
 
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StobieWan

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Volkodav said:
I wonder what impact these long deployments will have on maintenance and service life going forward.

The current US fleet age is already about the oldest it has ever been, but now they are being run into the ground while replacement projects are being deferred, cancelled and changed.
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Indeed - this totally screws availability and sustainability for the projected date for an assault on Taiwan - munitions stores of precision weapons drawn down, carrier and escort maintenance disrupted. It's a perfect storm, one which will land in about 5 years. For now, the USN will keep moving, but all the resilience is being exhausted.
 
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swerve

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Redshift said:
No capacity in any UK yards whatsoever
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And SAAB doesn't have a frigate design (Sweden's buying French FDI frigates from Naval Group) & Sweden hasn't built warships of that size for decades, so SAAB's out. Fincantieri seems to be pretty busy, & so are some other European builders.
 
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koxinga

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Redshift said:
No capacity in any UK yards whatsoever
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They are citing the "Finland" model, one or two by the manufacturer, the rest in the US. Pretty sure France, Germany, Italy or Spain could handle that

Could be the Administration's anti European views prejudice. Which makes the choice of Turkey the odd ball. They have capacity for sure and seems to be able to execute projects fast (e.g Malaysian LMSs was done swiftly and on time). No disrespect to what they have achieved but they are still a new player in the global market
 
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Volkodav

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StobieWan said:
Indeed - this totally screws availability and sustainability for the projected date for an assault on Taiwan - munitions stores of precision weapons drawn down, carrier and escort maintenance disrupted. It's a perfect storm, one which will land in about 5 years. For now, the USN will keep moving, but all the resilience is being exhausted.
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I just had a really horrible tin foil hat moment.

What if this was the intent?

Run down the US military to the point they can't intervene in Europe, Taiwan, etc.
 
OldTex

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Volkodav said:
I just had a really horrible tin foil hat moment.

What if this was the intent?

Run down the US military to the point they can't intervene in Europe, Taiwan, etc.
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To a normal person it would seem truly bizarre to emasculate ones own defence forces so as to avoid real or implied treaty obligations, whilst expecting those same obligations to be honoured by others should there be an attack (real or otherwise) on ones own country.

But we seem to be living in a time where the bizarre is the new normal (as horrifying as that sounds)
 
John Fedup

John Fedup

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Volkodav said:
I just had a really horrible tin foil hat moment.

What if this was the intent?

Run down the US military to the point they can't intervene in Europe, Taiwan, etc.
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Might not matter if it was intentional as the US debt and the incompetent Trump team could result in the same outcome.
 
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StobieWan

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Just a gentle reminder to not stray too deeply into politics here. We do live in extraordinary times, I understand (and not in a good way) but let's herd things back to defence matters.
 
Ananda

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SammyC

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An interesting interview with the CEO of HII. Talks about the autonomous programs, primarily Romulus and Remus. Also provides some insights into ship construction bottlenecks. Of note he was positive about employment retention and expansion via better remuneration, and also about expanded outsourcing. Robots feature, however primarily focussed on the first 25% of the production chain (welding fabrication). His view on EMALS (some information that the most recent deployment data indicates this system is hitting maturity and delivering the expected benefits, and that returning to steam has some significant cost, schedule and supply chain impacts) and lastly submarine production, helped by long term contracts extending over the next 20 years.
 
Ananda

Ananda

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San Antonio Class LPD based Balistic Missile Defense vessel. Seems this is become serious proposition.

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I can understand the large hull of San Antonio class to be use for large radars and VLS. Perhaps it is more economical then developing new cruiser design or that Trump Battleship.

Add: Correction on the LPD class it is based.
 
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Mark_Evans

Mark_Evans

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Ananda said:
Austin Class LPD based Balistic Missile Defense vessel. Seems this is become serious proposition.

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I can understand the large hull of Austin class to be use for large radars and VLS. Perhaps it is more economical then developing new cruiser design or that Trump Battleship.
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I thought they were looking at the newer San Antonio-class Amphibious Transport.
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Mark_Evans

Mark_Evans

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Ananda said:
Yes, My bad. Already done the correction. Thanks for the reminder. 228 VLS cells, this in my opinion more economics options to pursue.
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Yes, would definitely go well cruising alongside a carrier for a bit more protection. That and park a couple around Japan or West Coast of US.
 
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