Oh off you go again wittering on to the void
The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread
I was replying to you not anyone else, basic comprehension, you should try itReally? but an intelligent debate can contain a sentence like 'we are arming Ukraine to fight for freedom'. followed by a lecture on how Ukraine hates Russia. don't you know what Russia says they are fighting for? Russia said they are fighting for so many reasons including liberating the Donbass, so they are fighting for what they believe is freedom for Russian speakers in Ukraine. it's not intelligent because it's Russian version of freedom?
personaldesas
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I think often the framing aroudn this issue misses an important distinction. NATO did not expand by invading countries and forcing them to join. Those countries actively sought membership because of their own security concerns and historical experience.I think post-'91 there wasn't anything Russia could have realistically done to prevent NATO expansion. Despite assurances, NATO would have expanded eastward to some extent regardless.
You can still criticize NATO for accepting them. But then the agency of Poland, the Baltics, Romania, etc. has to be part of the argument too.
Equating voluntary accession to an alliance with Russia imposing its will by force on neighboring countries, as some here do, is just not a strong argument.
You have no clue at all about American politics, do you? Yes, she is propaganda.No man, i posted a video here of Tulsi Gabbard admitting to the bio-lab thing. is she propaganda too?
God damn. Learn about the world. Get out of your shell.
My country (Indonesia) is supposed to be a friend of yours (Russia) but holy shit either you're dumb or you think we here at defencetalk are dumb.
Nonsense!the partial invasion of Ukraine, doesn't count as an "invasion". In 1941, not even Hitler (and he was demented) planned to go beyond the Urals; that was too, a "partial" invasion.
An invasion isn't "partial" if it isn't intended to occupy the whole country. Napoleon invaded Russia: he didn't intend to conquer it, just force it to change its policies & alliances. He invaded Austria with no intention of conquering it. Saddam Hussein didn't intend to conquer Iran (he wasn't that stupid). Bismarck neither wished nor tried to conquer France when he invaded in 1870, & he won the victory he wanted . India successfully invaded Pakistan in 1971, achieving all its war aims & a complete victory - & only occupied about 15% of the country (though it had over half of the population). And so on . . . . . None of these is considered to have been a mere partial invasion.
Remember, I'm qualified to teach this language. I'm being very generous here, giving you free lessons.
you was replying to me off the response i gave someone else, basic intelligence, why is it hard for you to understandI was replying to you not anyone else, basic comprehension, you should try it
Mr clue, well done, i see you. whether it's propaganda or not, it's coming from high ranking US official. you can conclude what you like.You have no clue at all about American politics, do you? Yes, she is propaganda.
God damn. Learn about the world. Get out of your shell.
My country (Indonesia) is supposed to be a friend of yours (Russia) but holy shit either you're dumb or you think we here at defencetalk are dumb.
I am not Russian, am British. because of my views you have concluded very quickly that i am Russian. how dumb are you? i am ready to prove my identity any time, just to show you how dumb you are, thinking am Russian