The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

rsemmes

Active Member
It seems that Beltrami2005 does not consider Malta a country. (To cite one.)

Zelenski just said that Ukraine has suffered 55.000 dead.

Vadym Ivchenko (a member of the Verkhovna Rada’s Committee on National Security, Defense and Intelligence) said: (23-11-2025)
Ukraine’s military losses exceed 500,000 killed and as many wounded.

"The number of wounded soldiers who are no longer able to serve in the Ukrainian military is also close to 500,000." Not the number of wounded. Anyway, if he got the KIA/MIA wrong but the total estimate right, we could have 200.000 KIA and 800.000 WIA. I completely disregard that UN reference and its "source", as much as Zelenski's and TASS estimates'. Propaganda from both sides and a "statement against interests" by a member of the Rada (but maybe in the interest of Ukraine).
 
What a sad and disgusting comment to make. Hopefully with time and age you'll reconsider such a mindset.
Russia started the war and obviously russia doesnt care about its own population. Why should the victim care more about the population of the agressor, than the agressors own regime?

Ukraine got attacked, Russia committed horrendous crimes on ukrainian people. I come from a military background. It is best to avoid war at all cost, but when war is pushed on you, you fight and you certainly dont care about the enemies well being.

Btw looks like starlink got deactivated for russia, thats good news. They wont be able to use for their drones.
 

swerve

Super Moderator
As Feanor pointed out in previous posts in this thread, the last proper census in Ukraine occurred in 2001, when the population was 48 million. I believe the census before that was conducted during the Soviet period, when Ukraine accounted for roughly 70 million of the total.
Ukraine census population
2001 48 457 100
1989 51,706,742
1979 49,755,000
1970 47,261,305
1959 41 869 046

Never anywhere near 70 million

Pre-war, Ukraine was smaller, because a large part of what is now western Ukraine was in Poland.
 
News so far from Russia. A high ranking russian general was neutralized by an unknown attacker.

Russian general shot several times in Moscow

Thats also a quite new tactic to take out enemy military leadership in their own capital.

Russia btw is the only nation of higher staandards, that has lost multiple generals and admirals by now. No US, European or Asian power has lost any high ranking military staff in the conflicts since 1960th.

This specific person is of special interest because not only did he participate in the war in Ukraine, he also organized a chemical attack within the UK.

His condition is severe to lets hope for the best...
 

Hoover

Member
It seems that Beltrami2005 does not consider Malta a country. (To cite one.)

Zelenski just said that Ukraine has suffered 55.000 dead.

Vadym Ivchenko (a member of the Verkhovna Rada’s Committee on National Security, Defense and Intelligence) said: (23-11-2025)
Ukraine’s military losses exceed 500,000 killed and as many wounded.

"The number of wounded soldiers who are no longer able to serve in the Ukrainian military is also close to 500,000." Not the number of wounded. Anyway, if he got the KIA/MIA wrong but the total estimate right, we could have 200.000 KIA and 800.000 WIA. I completely disregard that UN reference and its "source", as much as Zelenski's and TASS estimates'. Propaganda from both sides and a "statement against interests" by a member of the Rada (but maybe in the interest of Ukraine).
https://ualosses.org/en/soldiers/
That´s propaganda.

ualosses.org (an Ukrainian page) says 92k dead and 89k MIA (from which a lot will be KIA, too).

Zelenskij tries to get the morale high, from his citizens and his supporters. That´s normal and understandable.
 

KipPotapych

Well-Known Member
Analysis of sixty drone incidents in Europe: a lot of panic and little evidence

Drone notifications shut down airports across Europe and cause unrest. Trouw analyzed about sixty incidents. This shows a lot of confusion, regular false alarm and hardly any harsh evidence for Russian involvement.

'Exclusive footage shows huge drone above Zaventem Airport'. A terrifying video appeared earlier this month on the website of the Belgian newspaper Het Laatste Nieuws. That happened after air traffic from Zaventem National Airport was shut down twice on the evening of November 4 due to reports of drones.

The images show a flying object with lights. Some Dutch media also published about the video. The unrest was great, as Belgium was flooded with drone sightings at airports and military objects at the time of this incident.

But two weeks later, the flying object on the images turns out not to be a drone at all. It was a police helicopter, research by the VRT shows. Videos of two other 'drone incidents' around Belgian military bases in the days after also turn out to be a false alarm, the fact checkers conclude. It was a police helicopter and a DHL cargo plane landing.

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Drones everywhere in Europe

The Belgian video footage illustrates the panic about the wave of drone reports that has been holding Europe for months. The sightings shut down airports for hours and cause unrest around ports, military bases and other (critical) infrastructure. But the question is whether they were drones. What ultimately yielded police investigation into all these incidents?

Using platform Dronewatch, Trouw mapped out about sixty incidents with drones in eleven European countries. These took place in the last three months. The conclusion: a lot of confusion and ambiguity and regular false alarms. No hard evidence has been provided for Russian involvement, which some authorities and experts point out in the vast majority of cases.

In about forty incidents, the origin is still unclear or no evidence has been found at all for drones in the airspace. An example is Oslo, where drone reports shut down air traffic at the end of September, affecting thousands of travelers. The police later found no confirmation that drones were actually flying. The same applied to reports at the airport of Sweden's Gothenburg in early November.

In at least fourteen cases, it turned out to be something completely different afterwards. For example, people in Belgium looked at (small) planes and helicopters for drones, while the flying objects in South Limburg and the Danish Billund were stars. The Norwegian police concluded that a suspicious 'drone' at an oil platform in the North Sea was probably a ship.

A number of times it has been found that drone flights were the work of a hobbyist or that it later turned out to be a tourist. In an incident in Warsaw where a drone flew over government buildings, Polish police arrested a Ukrainian and a 17-year-old girl from Belarus. There is no evidence for espionage.

Russian involvement

The authorities and experts regularly spoke about the involvement of 'a state actor' and Russia in incidents in Denmark, Belgium and Germany. This happened without waiting for the results of (police) investigation.

Spying and causing unrest with unmanned planes fits into the hybrid warfare of the Russians, is a frequently heard lecture. For example, Moscow would possibly use accomplices in Europe who shot small unmanned aircraft or drones would be launched from ships.

But an analysis of the sixty incidents shows little hard evidence of Russian involvement. An exception are incidents in Poland, Romania and Moldova, where Russian drones have indeed entered the airspace in recent months. For example, debris was found and in Poland Dutch F-35s shot Russian drones from the sky.

Attack or regular plane?

Although there is a lack of strong evidence in incidents elsewhere, Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen spoke shortly after observing drones at Copenhagen airport at the end of September of “an attack on Danish critical infrastructure”. To this day, however, it is unclear whether the sightings in Copenhagen were drones. Many reports were attributable to regular air traffic, according to a reconstruction of the Danish channel TV2.

“Our suspicion is that Russia is behind most of these drone flights,” Chancellor Friedrich Merz said after incidents at Munich Airport in early October, without providing evidence. Belgium also pointed to possible Russian involvement, and spoke of 'professional' pilots who 'flew in formation', although handy hobbyists can too.

Lack of drone detection

Dutch authorities are cautious with conclusions after drone incidents last weekend at Volkel airbase and Eindhoven Airport. According to Defense, 'weapons have been used', but no object has been removed from the air.

The Royal Netherlands Marechaussee says that drones have actually been seen, but according to a spokesman there is “no reason to panic for the time being”. At the moment it seems to be private or hobby drones with unclear origin. The spokesman adds that the military police have recently received many reports, but that it is not always a drone. "The cause of this can of course be all the attention, also in the media."

Defense Minister Ruben Brekelmans said in the debate on Wednesday that the investigations are still ongoing. But he tempered expectations. Detective work in Denmark, Norway, Belgium and Germany for drone incidents has “not yielded a very clear picture,” he said.

Authorities are almost blind to drones in many places and must rely on (unreliable) human observations. Therefore, experts point out the importance of good drone detection. In Belgium, that seems to have helped. It has been quiet there in recent weeks, exactly after additional drone detection has been installed. That may mean that malicious people have been put off, but just as well that those other alarmist reports may not have represented so much after all.


P. S. from me: I have no idea what the map shows and didn’t bother translating it separately. All bolding is from the article (I only modified the “foreword” into italics).
Quoted for continuity.

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The article (in Norwegian): PST avviser spionasje: - Droner var stjerner

Which is extremely unsurprising and exactly as predicted. What is surprising is that the same outlets as before talk about this same rubbish today. Earlier saw an article again talking about the Russian vessels being operated by mercenaries, flying drones out, etc. The world we live in.
 

rsemmes

Active Member
“The emotional outbursts are now giving way to search for solutions, such as digital signal repeaters, WiFi bridges, mesh networks, LTE modems.”
One Russian unit is setting up a WiFi bridge as an alternative, a shorter-range point-to-point approach. They note with some satisfaction that this will at least force junior and mid-level commanders closer to the front, where they can see the chaos for themselves.

The Starlink shutdown is causing problems in Ukraine too. Many of the Starlink terminals were not initially registered. As in Russia, they had been acquired through unofficial channels and there was no central database.

Arguably, allowing the Russian to become dependent on Starlink and then pulling the plug was a brilliant strategic move. However, Ukraine is equally reliant on SpaceX’s goodwill.

It should also highlight the fact that warfare in Ukraine is dominated by technologies like small drones, satellite communications, mobiles and laptops. These are all from the commercial, consumer sector and the military lags far behind, forcing soldiers to buy the technology they need off the shelf.

My highlighting.
Fighting a war with radios and land lines, who could have thought of that?
Because soldiers, in the trenches, have always been so worried about how many generals die...
I wonder why Elon Musk has been so kind as to keep it working until now. That was not a "strategic move", it got Ukrainian units with their pants down. What has changed this month?
I also wonder how well prepared is every unit in the British Army (or any other NATO army) with that, military grade, technology and what happens if Elon (or Trump) gets angry and cancel the subscription.

Like with every measure and countermeasure, (why did tanks acquire reactive armour, because it looks fashionable?) armies will react and adapt; the transition period will be painful, but it is not going to stop the war.
 
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