The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

Feanor

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Even if we assume that there is an issue using Vikhr, why cant the Russians use their Mi-28s with Atakas for the same purpose, is the range of the Atakas that much less than the Vikhr?
Iirc, yes. Ataka is 8 kms, Vikhr is 10. Note this is maximum, so launching against a target at 7.5 kms for Ataka is a long shot but for a Vikhr it's well within parameters, and yet generally out of range of MANPADS and AAA.

Also have you seen any evidence of the Khrizantema usage during this war so far? the Mi-28Ms should have been compatible with those as well.
Khrizantemas have been used actively. However there is no evidence their missiles have been used on the Mi-28 in actual service despite the possibility.
 

ngatimozart

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That's my whole point. MANPADS don't tell the whole story. Some sort of other Ukrainian air defense must be in the picture constraining Russian air operations.

How do you determine this both temporally and geographically? How well can MANPADS teams protect moving armored columns deep into enemy minefields?
Don't forget that MANPADS such as Stinger, Starstreak, and Mistral only require two operators and can be easily deployed by infantry. The Ukrainians have shown their ability to adapt to the situation very quickly and they will have sorted something out. The issue is that we are looking at the war through western peacetime military eyes, and this war has a whole new level that hasn't been seen before. Armies such as the NATO ones and others will have a lot to consider from this war and are arguably well behind the UKR military's ability to quickly integrate new technologies and introduce them onto the battlefield.
 

ngatimozart

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Updates.
My UKR sourced update.

Current Map. UK Defence Intelligence.
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Source UKMOD.

UKMOD update

Mick Ryan's take on the current UKR offensive.

Damaged UKR Bradley recovered from battlefield and undergoing repair.

Apparently a Russian battalion on the Kremina front has suffered 200 casualties when it was paraded for a speech by their General. The general was 2 hours late and since they paraded in the open, UKR drones spotted them which resulted in a UKR HIMARS attack.
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1669008558053105665
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1668645494283804679

The Russian General appears to have survived
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1668973712098443265

UKR arty destroyed Russian 2S3 SPH
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1669266433618976773

UKR drone deliveries of food to flood victims on the left bank of the Dnipr near Kherson. It has been reported that the Russians have only evacuated and provided support to those victims with Russian ID cards.
https://twitter.com/InUAOfficial/status/1669229065365012480

Twin Browning 50 cal HB HMG mount on UKR Humvee.
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1668798767078752259

Russia has double the number of military dolphins at its Crimean naval base.
https://twitter.com/CovertShores/status/1668900982527279106

UKR hit 2 Russian 2S19 SPG in the Donetsk Oblast.
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1669104302181195778
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1668843324273295360
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1668959494779420675

French AMC-10RC in use in UKR
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1669087446200459264

Russian vehicles encounter with UKR mines fired into an area behind Russian lines.
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1669119330066354183

Russian video of Russian missile strike.
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1543223365372084224

Russian TOR TLAR taken out by UKR Arty.
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1669125546834288643

Couple of Czech supplied Mil-24 doing their thing.
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1669138514263375881

Couple of Russian T-80BV undergoing RUD (Rapid Unplanned Disassembly)
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1669142114104492032

Prizokhin's latest assessment of the war.
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1668645494283804679

Darth Putin's take on meeting between Russian MOD, Wagner and Kadyrovsky.
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1668963032800567296
 

Feanor

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Update on Zaporozhye.

Ukrainian probing attacks are continuing.

Ukrainian T-72M1 and MaxxPro destroyed, some of the crew KIA. Warning footage of corpses.


Russian artillery strikes on Ukrainian forces, Zaporozhye area. I don't believe we've seen this one go before.


Ukrainian Leo-2A4 knocked out and abandoned, Zaporozhye front. Note the filming is coming from a Ukrainian Humvee, so it's likely they will be able to recover this vehicle.


Ukrainian M777 getting hit near the Vremyevskiy bulge by a Russian loitering munition. We can see the howitzer firing prior to getting hit so we know it's not a decoy, but we don't see any secondary detonation so the extent of the damage is unclear.


Russian K-52 missiles strikes against allegedly Ukrainian armor. Note the claim is that these were tanks firing on Russian forces, but I suspect this was a finishing off of disabled or immobilized vehicles. I can't see them firing or moving.


A destroyed Ukrainian column of 2 T-64BV mod'17s, and 3 MaxxPro MRAPs near Novodarovka (western edge of the Vremyevskiy bulge).


Ukrainian AMX-10RC rolling around, 37th MarBde.

 

Vivendi

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Norway and Denmark are working together to donate 9,000 155mm artillery rounds to Ukraine. Norway has also recently donated 7,000 rounds (already been shipped). With these latest donations, Norway has donated 27,000 rounds from own stocks, and additional 17,000 in collaboration with Denmark.
Norway and Denmark cooperate on new donations to Ukraine - regjeringen.no

These are small donations from two small countries. Hopefully this will inspire large countries like Germany, France, Italy and Spain to also make significant donations. It's urgently needed.
 

Feanor

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According to Rybar, Russian forces have launched an attack south of Mar'inka, towards Novomihailovka. This threatens Ugledar frm the north, and Mar'inka from the south, assuming they can gain significant ground there. Currently it appears Russian forces took two strong points, about halfway south towards Novomihailovka. There are likely another 1-3 Ukrainian lines between them and Novomihailovka, but if Ukraine is distracted elsewhere, Ukraine may be harder pressed to reinforce. Vice-versa this may be an attempt to pull Ukrainian forces away from the offensive. Details are lacking.

 

T.C.P

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Iirc, yes. Ataka is 8 kms, Vikhr is 10. Note this is maximum, so launching against a target at 7.5 kms for Ataka is a long shot but for a Vikhr it's well within parameters, and yet generally out of range of MANPADS and AAA.



Khrizantemas have been used actively. However there is no evidence their missiles have been used on the Mi-28 in actual service despite the possibility.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/149u7v2
apparently this is a Mi-28N, I cant tell from the display if it is or not, but if it is, thenthey are being used, and some one timed the shot to be 23seconds and out at 8km.
 

Vivendi

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Another great thread by General Mark Hertling:
While many talk of Leos, Bradleys, F16s & ATACMs - the weapons of war - we overlook the men & women who are doing the fighting.
Hertling is spot on as usual. I think he is right in his assessment about how fatigue will affect UKR and RUS soldiers. On the other hand, Russia should have a potential advantage, since they can in theory raise more soldiers and rotate. Will UKR have sufficient reserves to be able to do that?
 

seaspear

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It would be interesting to see if Ukraine has moved mobile SHORAD units close to the front lines ,hidden in hedges etc. to counter helicopters and other unmanned air units ,
 

T.C.P

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It would be interesting to see if Ukraine has moved mobile SHORAD units close to the front lines ,hidden in hedges etc. to counter helicopters and other unmanned air units ,
They do and have used them to great effect when Russia is the one doing the offensives. Its nopt as effective, when Russia is using their choopers well behind their own lines as mobile ATGM platforms.

If Ukraine could get their hands on good numbers of something similar to the Chinese Fm-90 mobile platforms, they could put a real dent into it.

I wonder how effective older outdated systems like hawks would be for something like this. They are relatively mobile and are good enough to take out attack choopers, and unlike serious systems like IRIS-T, they can be risked. Even if they are taken out its not much of a loss.
 

Feanor

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They do and have used them to great effect when Russia is the one doing the offensives. Its nopt as effective, when Russia is using their choopers well behind their own lines as mobile ATGM platforms.

If Ukraine could get their hands on good numbers of something similar to the Chinese Fm-90 mobile platforms, they could put a real dent into it.

I wonder how effective older outdated systems like hawks would be for something like this. They are relatively mobile and are good enough to take out attack choopers, and unlike serious systems like IRIS-T, they can be risked. Even if they are taken out its not much of a loss.
Whether it's a loss or not depends not only on the price of the system but also on the availability of replacements. Arguably the Gepards aren't that expensive, being ~40 year old SHORAD. But can losses be easily replaced? If not, you have to be more careful.
 

Feanor

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Update on Zaporozhye.

It appears Ukraine is trying to breach Russian lines in other areas including the village of Pyatihatka, and near Orekhov. So far there are no dramatic movements, though Ukrainian forces have taken Pyatihatka. Note the village is in a depression overlooked by hills nearly 200m taller, making it hard to hold. Near Pyatihatka reportedly Russia is using T-62s and T-54s for indirect fire. To me this offensive is starting to look more and more like the Kherson offensive from last fall with the important distinction that Russian supply lines don't hang on two threads across the Dnepr. Note Ukrainian losses at this point are clearly mounting. It's no longer just a few vehicles lost in an attempt to breach a minefield. A disproportionate number of the losses are Leopards and Bradleys, suggesting that those units being used very heavily in the fighting. Note Ukraine only had two btlns of Leos available, and only 3+ btlns of Bradleys.


Russian FPV drones targetting multiple Ukrainian vehicles including Bradleys and a Leo-2A6. I think we also saw a Humvee, but it's hard to see. Allegedly Russia's 42nd MRD at work.


Russian Krasnopol' strikes against Ukrainian mech and armor on the Orekhov axis. We see a Leopard and a Bradley getting hit. This is allegedly the 50th Artillery Rgt from the 42nd MRD.


Ukrainian Leo-2 (A4?) hit in Zaporozhye. The artillery shell broke the roof knocking out but probably not destroying the vehicle. The gunner was likely killed.


Ukrainian service members posing with a stuck Leo-2A4. The ultimate fate of the vehicle is unknown.


Battle damage from Russian strikes in Orekhov.


Ukrainian T-64BV, possibly MaxxPro, and a BMP destroyed.


Ukrainian SUV and Humvee hit a landmine. Honestly the use of mobile teams in light vehicles to drive around in land-mine heavy areas is a questionable decision. Yet we keep seeing this.


2 videos of Russian Ka-52 ATGM strikes. Note it's possible we're seeing immobilized and/or abandoned vehicles being finished off. The second vidoe is allegedly night strikes.


Allegedly Russian tank fires against Ukrainian vehicles, Zaporozhye area. Note we don't see the Russian tanks, it's possible they're working indirectly.


Russian FPV drone strikes against allegedly a Ukrainian strong point. Note it's unclear why Russia would be striking Ukrainian trenches since Russia is on the defensive. It's possible that these positions are Russian positions overrun by Ukraine and now getting hit.


Russia striking a Bradley near Orekhov. A Leo-2 can be seen next to it, allegedly already knocked out.


Destroyed Ukrainian vehicles near Levadnoe. Can't easily make out what they are.


Ukrainian forces using multiple MICLIC to make openings in Russian minefields.


A Ukrainian Humvee drives past the destroyed column of MAZ trucks we saw getting hit by FPV drones in a prior video.


A destroyed Bradley, somewhere in Zaporozhye.


Assorted footage of Leos and Bradleys getting hit.

 

T.C.P

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Update on Zaporozhye.

It appears Ukraine is trying to breach Russian lines in other areas including the village of Pyatihatka, and near Orekhov. So far there are no dramatic movements, though Ukrainian forces have taken Pyatihatka. Note the village is in a depression overlooked by hills nearly 200m taller, making it hard to hold. Near Pyatihatka reportedly Russia is using T-62s and T-54s for indirect fire. To me this offensive is starting to look more and more like the Kherson offensive from last fall with the important distinction that Russian supply lines don't hang on two threads across the Dnepr. Note Ukrainian losses at this point are clearly mounting. It's no longer just a few vehicles lost in an attempt to breach a minefield. A disproportionate number of the losses are Leopards and Bradleys, suggesting that those units being used very heavily in the fighting. Note Ukraine only had two btlns of Leos available, and only 3+ btlns of Bradleys.


Russian FPV drones targetting multiple Ukrainian vehicles including Bradleys and a Leo-2A6. I think we also saw a Humvee, but it's hard to see. Allegedly Russia's 42nd MRD at work.


Russian Krasnopol' strikes against Ukrainian mech and armor on the Orekhov axis. We see a Leopard and a Bradley getting hit. This is allegedly the 50th Artillery Rgt from the 42nd MRD.


Ukrainian Leo-2 (A4?) hit in Zaporozhye. The artillery shell broke the roof knocking out but probably not destroying the vehicle. The gunner was likely killed.


Ukrainian service members posing with a stuck Leo-2A4. The ultimate fate of the vehicle is unknown.


Battle damage from Russian strikes in Orekhov.


Ukrainian T-64BV, possibly MaxxPro, and a BMP destroyed.


Ukrainian SUV and Humvee hit a landmine. Honestly the use of mobile teams in light vehicles to drive around in land-mine heavy areas is a questionable decision. Yet we keep seeing this.


2 videos of Russian Ka-52 ATGM strikes. Note it's possible we're seeing immobilized and/or abandoned vehicles being finished off. The second vidoe is allegedly night strikes.


Allegedly Russian tank fires against Ukrainian vehicles, Zaporozhye area. Note we don't see the Russian tanks, it's possible they're working indirectly.


Russian FPV drone strikes against allegedly a Ukrainian strong point. Note it's unclear why Russia would be striking Ukrainian trenches since Russia is on the defensive. It's possible that these positions are Russian positions overrun by Ukraine and now getting hit.


Russia striking a Bradley near Orekhov. A Leo-2 can be seen next to it, allegedly already knocked out.


Destroyed Ukrainian vehicles near Levadnoe. Can't easily make out what they are.


Ukrainian forces using multiple MICLIC to make openings in Russian minefields.


A Ukrainian Humvee drives past the destroyed column of MAZ trucks we saw getting hit by FPV drones in a prior video.


A destroyed Bradley, somewhere in Zaporozhye.


Assorted footage of Leos and Bradleys getting hit.

Additionally, I saw 5 different low res commerical FPVs attacking a fresh armoured column today. The videos arent good enough quality to post here, but at least 2 very good shots by SPVs on the thin upper layer or Leos and a bunch on bradleys.

The FPVs of course dont have the punch of a lancet but is enough to damage the vehicles enough that thye need repair and are out of action for a while.

Also for @Feanor , have been hearing Rus forces complain that their FPV and commerical drone projects are working in spite of the Mod and not because of them, any indication that the Mod is learnign and willing to listen? any idication that they will support the FPV procurement in a similar manner to how the Ukr Mod does?
 

Feanor

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Additionally, I saw 5 different low res commerical FPVs attacking a fresh armoured column today. The videos arent good enough quality to post here, but at least 2 very good shots by SPVs on the thin upper layer or Leos and a bunch on bradleys.

The FPVs of course dont have the punch of a lancet but is enough to damage the vehicles enough that thye need repair and are out of action for a while.
They often carry RPG-7 rounds. They certainly can destroy even an MBT if they hit the right side at a good angle.

Also for @Feanor , have been hearing Rus forces complain that their FPV and commerical drone projects are working in spite of the Mod and not because of them, any indication that the Mod is learnign and willing to listen? any idication that they will support the FPV procurement in a similar manner to how the Ukr Mod does?
Russian MoD has done a very poor job adapting to the realities of this war. Russia has had plenty of resources available in this fight and could have brought them to bear in devastating ways. So many opportunities were missed, so many strange decisions made. I suspect they will work with it eventually. They're too big of a reality to ignore. But to me that makes perfect sense and matches what I've read.
 

Big_Zucchini

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NYT article presenting expert opinions and illustrations on the Nova Kakhovka dam collapse. Experts say external attack highly unlikely, and internal blast was likely the cause. Dam was built to withstand attacks.

It is no secret that certain nations, particularly the US, have the surveillance capability to know in real-time what happened there. The US has the SBIRS - Space Based Infra Red System. There are also commercial satellites that can provide multi-spectral footage, however they are not meant for real-time intelligence. The US needs to release declassified versions of SBIRS footage/data to tackle the massive flow of disinformation, because disinformation is a very real threat.
 

vikingatespam

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Apparently a large RU ammo depot hit in Rykovo.
 

Feanor

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Update. Apr. 27-29th

The West.

A residential apartment building in Uman' got hit. The explosion appears to be smaller then a typical Russian cruise missile warhead so it's possible it got hit by a failed SAM, but evidence is scant. Reportedly 20 civilians died.


Ukrainian mobilization efforts in Ternopol'.


Kherson-Nikolaev-Odessa.

Russian Lancet strike hitting an S-300 TEL, Kherson region. We dissected this in more detail when it happened. It appears Russia took out a full battery of 4 TELs in this incident. Though not all were destroyed, all got hit.


Another Ukrainian S-300 TEL was hit in Nikolaev region. Possibly related to the above but unclear.


Ukrainian ZU-23-2 getting hit by a Russian loitering munition, Kherson region. Note using such high-value munitions against such common targets is questionable. While technically this counts as SEAD, Ukraine almost certainly has more ZU-23-2s then Russia can hit with Lancets even under ideal circumstances.


Zaporozhye-Dnepropetrovsk.

Reportedly Russia hit two fuel storage facilities and a construction yard in Dnepropetrovsk.


A look at Russian defense lines in Zaporozhye from above.


An IED went off in Melitopol', killing one police officer and wounding another.


Oskol Front.

Russian bomb strike on alleged Ukrainian munition storage near Kremennaya.


Russian BMD-2 fires in the woods near Kremennaya.


Russian Tor-M2 operations near Kupyansk.


Russian artillery striking alleged Ukrainian staging area, Kharkov region.


The state of the roads near Kremennaya. Note the GAZ-66 stuck in the mud to its axels.


Russian 98th VDV using old RPG-16s, near Dybrovo village.


LDNR Front.

Allegedly some Ukrainian forces attempted to clear a road into Artemovsk/Bakhmut but were destroyed. We see a destroyed BMP and light vehicles. Warning footage of corpses.


Russian TOS-1 fires on Avdeevka.


Russian airstrikes on Avdeevka. Despite a steady pattern of strikes and several attempts, Russia has not been able to take Avdeevka. The town remains as a salient.


DNR Kalmius Bde striking allegedly Ukrainian munition storage with Krasnopol' rounds near Avdeevka.


Russian artillery targeting Ukrainian trenches in the treeline near Avdeevka.


Russian artillery striking alleged Ukrainian staging area near Avdeevka.


Near Donetsk, Russian recon has captured an M113(AS4?) near Donetsk. They knocked it out by hitting one of the road wheels with an RPG.


Russian airstrikes on Ugledar.


Shelling of Donetsk continues. Reportedly civilian casualties of 7 killed and 19 wounded on the 27th, and 9 killed and 16 wounded on the 28th.


Village of Bryanka, Lugansk region, LNR area, got hit by a HIMARS strike. It's unclear what the target could be. A gas station, and some local apartments were damaged.


Allegedly a civilian refugee out of Artemovsk/Bakhmut claims Ukrainian forces shot their building up with a tank after locals refused to evacuate. He also states women with children were evacuated by force.


DNR forces MT-LBu with S-60 on it.


Russia.

Ukraine hit a fuel storage facility in Sevastopol' with a UAV strike.


Apparently a Ukrainian Mugin-5 UAV downed in Crimea.


Misc.

Ukrainian 2S1 getting hit by a Russian loitering munition. Note the vehicle doesn't explode or catch fire, raising questions about whether this is a decoy. The 2S1 chassis is quite lightly armored.


Ukrainian forces firing an APKWS light rocket system. The rockets are laser guided.


Russian infantry firing an auto-cannon separated from its platform. I suspect this is Wagner forces in Artemovsk/Bakhmut, since we saw them doing something similar before.


Spanish fighters somewhere on the front line in Ukraine.


A column of Marders somewhere in Ukraine.


Russian UAV team launching a Tachion UAV.


NATO/EU.


Allegedly Ukrainian infantry is training on using kayaks to cross rivers, in Germany.


Apparently another batch of M109Ls from Italy heading to Ukraine.

 
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