Russian Army/Ground Forces Discussion and Updates

[Ananda]

However nowhere does CIT, at least that I saw, indicate an anticipated ability to produce ~1k MBTs per year.

From the perspective of restoring combat capability and based on our estimated production rates, assuming hypothetically that combat operations end on Dec. 31 this year, Russia could produce nearly 1,000 new tanks within three years, 1,500 within five years, and 3,000 within ten years. However, this estimate does not account for potential increases in output, such as the possible resumption of T-80 tank production in Omsk.

I think the CIT report that being quote by Army Recognition (as 1000 production by 2028) is from this part. This is on end part of the article.

but increasing MBT production is more difficult then something like a Shahed. There are multiple potential bottle-necks, and while by peace-time post-Cold War standards UVZ is a massive tank plant, it also means that expanding that massive plant requires massive efforts and also time.

Agree on this, however it is also shown Russia manage to increase their production rate even on their current production infrastructure. I just don't buy all the talk from the so call Western Think Tank pundits that claim Russia MIC and other industrial capabilities goes downhill by the western sanctions and will not be able to recovered.

Yes it give them much hardship, but also shown Russia resiliances to find other way around to keep their MIC running and recovering without using western supplies.

 

[Feanor]

I think the CIT report that being quote by Army Recognition (as 1000 production by 2028) is from this part. This is on end part of the article.

Yeah, that's not the same thing though. It says 1000 new tanks within 3 years is ~333 per year. Not 1000 per year. 1500 within 5 clearly envisions 300 per year, as does 3000 within 10 years. None of these numbers are interesting, as they were all well known for a while.

Agree on this, however it is also shown Russia manage to increase their production rate even on their current production infrastructure. I just don't buy all the talk from the so call Western Think Tank pundits that claim Russia MIC and other industrial capabilities goes downhill by the western sanctions and will not be able to recovered.

Yes it give them much hardship, but also shown Russia resiliances to find other way around to keep their MIC running and recovering without using western supplies.

I think it's pretty clear Russia can produce thousands of armored vehicles of various types despite the sanctions and is unlikely to lose that ability any time soon.

 

[seaspear]

I would not doubt that Russia will for some time produce various armoured vehicles whether brand new or heavily refurbished ,but numbers being produced are more emphasised than fit for purpose , with adequate sensors for all of these not a priority

 

[swerve]

Yeah, that's not the same thing though. It says 1000 new tanks within 3 years is ~333 per year. Not 1000 per year. 1500 within 5 clearly envisions 3000 per year, as does 3000 within 10 years. None of these numbers are interesting, as they were all well known for a while.

300. I think your fingers slipped.

 

[Feanor]

I would not doubt that Russia will for some time produce various armoured vehicles whether brand new or heavily refurbished ,but numbers being produced are more emphasised than fit for purpose , with adequate sensors for all of these not a priority

Imagine they had the best sensors available to AFVs in the world today. Would it help much from the confines of a tank-shed? Are we seeing the kind of longer range engagements where marginal differences in sensors make a large difference? What I think the real issue is that Russia needs either an HAPC or HIFV, that it can mass-produce at scale, that will offer drastically better survivability.

300. I think your fingers slipped.

It did, thanks.