Royal New Zealand Navy Discussions and Updates

recce.k1

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So when you have in the future 1 x frigate in refit, 1 x frigate on patrol could be not even in the pacific!!, 1 x frigate in port, and if we purchase 4 1 x frigate doing escort duties!!
You only have 1 x ship that can engage Chinese ships in an emergency situation but even then may not be in a location close by! OPV'S are not armed/equiped for full on T1 naval combat!!
Also we might be in just a wee bit of ahem trouble with our supposed 1-4 frigates if an adversary hypothetically sends over a much larger task force (dunno let's say 6 vessels and a couple of subs and then they split off to different areas)! :oops:

Solution might be to not put all one's eggs into one basket, perhaps ...
 

old faithful

The Bunker Group
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Also we might be in just a wee bit of ahem trouble with our supposed 1-4 frigates if an adversary hypothetically sends over a much larger task force (dunno let's say 6 vessels and a couple of subs and then they split off to different areas)! :oops:

Solution might be to not put all one's eggs into one basket, perhaps ...
I know, I know!!! A fast jet armed with ASM.....sorry.
 

recce.k1

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I know, I know!!! A fast jet armed with ASM.....sorry.
Now, now, from your previous postings on "fast air" options for NZ you've usually been dismissive, so I taking that as a sarcastic response. ;)

Which is fine of course, but I'm certainly keen to hear your views on options to enhance 1 or 2 operational FFH's going forward.

Recent DCP is suggesting options are to be considered (enhanced maritime vessels and strike), but details are vague and of course your good self will have thoughts to contribute to Catalina's discussions?
 

ADMk2

Just a bloke
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Also we might be in just a wee bit of ahem trouble with our supposed 1-4 frigates if an adversary hypothetically sends over a much larger task force (dunno let's say 6 vessels and a couple of subs and then they split off to different areas)! :oops:

Solution might be to not put all one's eggs into one basket, perhaps ...
Almost like you need a layered force with options in air, land, maritime, cyber, information and space domains, that provide flexible options designed to address a range of threats, rather than a personally preferred option that counters threats (barely) in a single domain?

Out of interest, Australia is spending AUD$1.6b (NZD (1.8b) to acquire a fleet of 42x HIMARS, plus a substantial inventory of weapons, establishment of a Regiment, training, sustainment and so on. These weapons at present include GMLRS, ER-GMLRS, ATACMS and a quantity of PRsM Increment 1 missiles, weapons capable of a wide range of strike operations, including some degree of maritime strike.


NZ is spending NZD $2.34b on it’s existing P-8A capability - one that doesn’t presently provide a stand-off anti-ship capability…

Any replacement frigate program budget is unknown as yet, but there is little doubt that if your desire is to be able to put a lot of missiles down-range as quickly as possible, neither air or maritime means are the most efficient nor cheapest way to do it.

A full regimental fire effort from the 10th fires brigade puts more ASM’s down range than the entire surface fleet of the RAN could manage, even if you could get them all to sea at once, not to mention when dispersed they cover many more locations than the RAN could possibly manage. The difference would be even more stark with the NZDF.

If NZ wants to be able to control it’s approaches using ASM’s, then HIMARS even if only on a cost basis, has to be a consideration.
 

old faithful

The Bunker Group
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Now, now, from your previous postings on "fast air" options for NZ you've usually been dismissive, so I taking that as a sarcastic response. ;)

Which is fine of course, but I'm certainly keen to hear your views on options to enhance 1 or 2 operational FFH's going forward.

Recent DCP is suggesting options are to be considered (enhanced maritime vessels and strike), but details are vague and of course your good self will have thoughts to contribute to Catalina's discussions?
Mate, I would love to see NZ back to a similar manning of the 80s, Fighter jets, 4 frigates etc.
I just don't see much happening, NZ ordered 5 sea hawks, that sends a message that the RNZN does not plan to expand the frigate fleet to me.
I hope I am wrong of course.
If NZ were to go with some kind of ACF, then they would likely need an AWACs type platform, possibly some tankers as well. The horse has bolted for the NZDF I am afraid, it will take too much time to expand nearly anything.
Army could get HIMARs, that would be handy, maybe a few more rotary assets.
Ghost sharks and (armed) ghost bats would really be handy, and I would think be very doable, I hope that is whats happening.
 
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