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Royal Canadian Navy Discussions and updates

Discussion in 'Navy & Maritime' started by stephen weist, Sep 30, 2005.

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  1. Calculus

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    John, can you please explain what you mean by "IP information". It's public record that the combat systems IP goes directly to the Government of Canada, not Irving. I'm just trying to understand all the angst about this supposed IP issue.
    Please see link: Speaking notes for National Shipbuilding Strategy technical briefing on Canadian Surface Combatant request for proposal – National Shipbuilding Strategy – Sea – Defence Procurement – Buying and Selling – PSPC

    The CMS will be awarded by the Government of Canada directly. No Irving involvement. I believe the supposed IP issue has been severely overblown. This does not look to be much different from the Australian competition, and appears to be well structured to ensure fairness.
     
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    From your link IP rights will be negotiated during the evaluation process. There is nothing usual about this for naval tenders except in Canada’s case some demands can be unreasonable. As for Irving’s involvement in the process, they are being checked somewhat but still having the prime contractor for the build sitting in on some of the evaluation meetings probably doesn’t sit well with some of the bidders(all except BAE).
     
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    Can’t see why Navantia would mind; that’s exactly what happened in Australia for Sea 4000, which, after all, they won.
     
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    Precisely spoz. I couldn't agree more. I don't see anything particularly onerous here with regards to IP that would preclude a bid. Another one of the many falsehoods being spread about this program.
     
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    I do not believe the Italian-French team was the only bidder to express concerns about IP rights back in early 2017. Clearly some of this was addressed but how much will be confirmed during the evaluation process. Anyone following Canadian defence procurement knows how programs fall off the rails. The problem is it could be due to budget, IP rights, or something else and the government won’t elaborate. Case in point, the delivery for AORs from SeaSpan, apparently that is a secret. WTF more do you need to know about how junior’s government handles defence procurement? IMHO, not very well!
     
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    Wow, as if Canadian veterans haven't been screwed around enough already, junior has found an epic fail civil servant to continue the carnage over at Veterans Affairs. I wonder what steaming coil of excrement he has found for assistant deputy of defence procurement? Hopefully a cadaver, less trouble for the CSC and fighter replacement programs!

    Defence procurement chief heads to VAC, no word yet on her replacement
     
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    junior will likely throw Davie an order prior to next year’s election to shore up his voter support in Quebec. SeaSpan might very well end up losing the AOR build. The BC vote will go the socialist NDP anyway so junior has nothing to lose. A shame there is no other option other than Davie if SeaSpan is dumped.
     
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    Sea Kings will no longer be operated at Shearwater and CH-148 cyclones will start operations. RCN ships on the west coast will still be operating Sea Kings. Only half the Cyclones have been delivered since the order was placed 12 years ago and roughly 25 years since Chretien cancelled the RCN's preferred choice for maritime helicopters, the EH-101 (now AH-101). Nice work Liberals.

    Photos: Goodbye Sea Kings
     
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    if he did it he bloody deserves a medal, I'm starting to wonder if the current government would give a Rudd/Gillard government a run for its money
    Maybe the electorate is starting to wise up up miss handling projects, what he is doing to defence is treason's in my book.

    Canadians Didn't Sign Up For Trudeau's Scandals And Bad Policies
     
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    • No need for this language on here. No more of it.
    The Liberal Party has a long track record on this BS. Junior has had great role models who were former PMs, his old man and the worst sack of of shit ever, Chretien. Junior has 20 months or so to match Chretien but the moron electorate here will likely give him a job out to 2023-4 so he should surpass the shit from Shawinigan as worst ever.
     
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    No need for this language on here. No more of it.
     
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    It has now been 2 months since the CSC bid close date and the the government has declined to say how many bids were received. Three vendors have announced they submitted bids. Odense Marine Tecnologies (Iver Huitfeldt designers) was approved to bid on the CSC and some here felt they stood a reasonable chance of being successful. I am beginning to think they declined to bid.
     
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    It would seem that the most likely leading candidate for the CSC is the Type 26. Mission bay flexibility, large hangar and flight deck and RN design and engineering standards along with the existing ties to Irving. The downside with the Type 26 is that it is likely the most expensive option. Although the Allion bid is a fantastic product its single hangar and no flexible mission bay to me makes it less likely to be the choice. I have been a fan of the Danish designs and feel that as an arm chair observer that there is a place for both the Iver and Absalon designs within the RCN. Unfortunately it does appear they haven't bid.
     
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    It does appear they didn't bid. I wonder why, was it for technical reasons or an assessment dealing with Canada's procurement system was considered a waste of time and money? I agree the Type 26 is likely favoured by the RCN brass (and likely Irving as well) and is probably in the lead but an aggressive bid by Navantia should be in the running, especially if the USN and Australia go that way. Wouldn't be surprised to see the government delay their decision until seeing what others select. After all, if there is anything this government is good at, it is putting off military procurement!:mad: