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The Bunker Group
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I know this is old, but I have not, until now, found a picture of the AOPV bridge where the "lever" style EOTs were visible. There are two stations, apparently, port and starboard, for the "finesse" type ship driving. Picture below (attribution embedded) shows the starboard station.
That makes sense, good to see.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
Great article with the exception of Gleason’s comment about the ship’s gun. Constabulary role might be its primary mission and even if the gun has great tracking, a 6000 ton vessel costing around $500 million should have something a tad larger (35 mm Millennium or perhaps used 57 mm guns when the Halifax’s are retired.
 

Git_Kraken

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Great article with the exception of Gleason’s comment about the ship’s gun. Constabulary role might be its primary mission and even if the gun has great tracking, a 6000 ton vessel costing around $500 million should have something a tad larger (35 mm Millennium or perhaps used 57 mm guns when the Halifax’s are retired.
If you put a 57mm on that ship you'll need a proper tracking radar, fire control system, and CMS. Those are all external to the gun. So you'll have to find space for the cooling/HVAC/power/space to install all of that stuff. You'll have to add ~3 techs to maintain the gun/FCS/radar and you'll have to add more $$ to the project. Not to mention the 57mm was designed for AAW primarily. 3P ammunition also needs a proper CMS to interface the TTP's so the ammo setting is correct for the target/situation.

As for ammunition, normally a 57mm also has a feed from a magazine and has deck penetrations. I believe "bolt on" options exist, but that really limits your magazine to what the gun can carry (120 rounds in the mount). Do you modify the ship to have a magazine? Can it be modified for that as the gun currently sits above the enclosed foc'sle? Will that deck penetration for that gun work given the cable's for the anchor is right below it? Can you put the gun in a different place (instead of forward) and make it work?

Much of what I stated for the 57mm is applicable to a millennium gun as well.

At the end of the day, it's an OPV. In Canada. There is no threat. Any threat that could get to Canada and be dangerous in Canadian waters would be far too dangerous for even an up-gunned AOPS to handle. Call a warship, or use the airforce. Any foreign deployments are to a benign environment. It's been proven time and again MCDV's with only .50 cal's are capable of doing good work in the Carib and off of Africa.

That being said, if one were wanting to make these ships "dangerous" then it's not much work to bolt on an ASM like Harpoon/NSM. Those require deck space and essentially a fridge-sized area for the HMI/mission planning/control system. An even easier conversion would be to use a helicopter, maybe drop in a TRAPS to make the ship more useful in an ASW role.
 

Calculus

Well-Known Member
If you put a 57mm on that ship you'll need a proper tracking radar, fire control system, and CMS. Those are all external to the gun. So you'll have to find space for the cooling/HVAC/power/space to install all of that stuff. You'll have to add ~3 techs to maintain the gun/FCS/radar and you'll have to add more $$ to the project. Not to mention the 57mm was designed for AAW primarily. 3P ammunition also needs a proper CMS to interface the TTP's so the ammo setting is correct for the target/situation.

As for ammunition, normally a 57mm also has a feed from a magazine and has deck penetrations. I believe "bolt on" options exist, but that really limits your magazine to what the gun can carry (120 rounds in the mount). Do you modify the ship to have a magazine? Can it be modified for that as the gun currently sits above the enclosed foc'sle? Will that deck penetration for that gun work given the cable's for the anchor is right below it? Can you put the gun in a different place (instead of forward) and make it work?

Much of what I stated for the 57mm is applicable to a millennium gun as well.

At the end of the day, it's an OPV. In Canada. There is no threat. Any threat that could get to Canada and be dangerous in Canadian waters would be far too dangerous for even an up-gunned AOPS to handle. Call a warship, or use the airforce. Any foreign deployments are to a benign environment. It's been proven time and again MCDV's with only .50 cal's are capable of doing good work in the Carib and off of Africa.

That being said, if one were wanting to make these ships "dangerous" then it's not much work to bolt on an ASM like Harpoon/NSM. Those require deck space and essentially a fridge-sized area for the HMI/mission planning/control system. An even easier conversion would be to use a helicopter, maybe drop in a TRAPS to make the ship more useful in an ASW role.
Good points. It does have a CMS (CMS330), and it appears that the radar (Scanter 6002) has some tracking capability (Naval radar surveillance). And TRAPS with Helo is being validated right now, so the ASW role seems virtually certain.
 

FormerDirtDart

Active Member
HMCS Corner Book (SSK 878) returns to the water.
You'll remember she was severely damaged during a collision/grounding in 2011. Then suffered significant fire damage in 2017 while undergoing an extended maintenance drydock period (to repair collision damage). Then in 2020, following repairs, suffered a ballast tank rupture during a pressure test.
Lets all hope her fate improves a tad going forward. Even if she is only capable of limited service.
Additional tweets were posted, but to conserve space I'll just quote the text:
" After having completed its Extended Docking Work Period (EDWP) at the Esquimalt Graving Dock (EGD) in the care and custody of Babcock Canada, #HMCSCornerBrook began the undocking process on June 10th. "
" This process saw the submarine move from the Purpose Built Repair Facility at the EGD to lift barge Seaspan Careen. A complex evolution that occurred over several hours, it is a testament to the incredible work and cooperation required from a number of stakeholders across government and industry, all of whom played an important role in getting this strategic asset closer to being fully operational. Next step: floating the submarine at Ogden Point! Stay tuned!
 

DAVID DUNLOP

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Here is an update of weapons & systems the CSC Type 26 Frigate known so far. If any member wishes to dispute or add anything, please feel free to let me know and please substantiate your replies:

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DAVID DUNLOP

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Hi folks. Nice to be back!
Here is an update of weapons & systems the CSC Type 26 Frigate known so far. If any members wish to dispute or add anything, please feel free to let me know and please substantiate your replies:

1. 1 X LM Solid State 3D Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) "S" Band Long Range Discrimination Radar (LRDR)-SPY 7 (V) 1 Phased Array Air Search Radar-Confirmed by Lockheed Martin (LM). (See 1)
2. 1 X Solid State AESA "X" Band Illumination Radar supported by MacDonald Dettwiller Associates (MDA) in Richmond British Columbia-below the SPY 7 radar mast, with integration into the CMS 330 system-This may be an MDA built radar or In My Opinion (IMO), it may be an existing radar from Thales (possibly the Sea Fire 500 AESA Phased Array Radar) however MDA is not talking. Any enlightenment on this radar from any forum members, would be appreciated. (See 2)
3. "X" & "S" Bands Navigation Radars (See 2)
4. MDA-Electronic Warfare Suite System & Chaff launchers (See 2)
5. MDA-Laser Warfare Defence System (again MDA is not talking). (See 2)
6. 32 x MK 41 strike length VLS-ESSM2, SM II/IIIC-SM3/6 (fitted for, but not with); Raytheon Tomahawk Land Attack Cruise Missiles (TLAM). (See 2)
7. Combat Information Management Systems-Links 11/16/22/GCCS-M/ Mode 5S Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) (See 2)
8. Light Weight (LW) MK 54 Torpedo system with twin launcher tubes (See 2)
9. Sea Spider anti-torpedo system (Magellan/TKMS) (See 2/7)
10. 6 x 4 ExLS VLS-Aft of the funnel (Sea Ceptor, quad-packed) for CIADS-MBDA (See 2)
11. 2 x 4 Quad packs Kongsberg NSM-Port/Stbd Above Mission Bay. (See 2)
12. Main Gun: 1 x 5 inch Leonardo Oto Melara 127mm Light Weight (LW) Land Attack and Anti-Air Vulcano gun. This gun will confer the CSC ships with the ability to fire extended-range, precision-guided Vulcano munitions- both in guided long-range and the ballistic extended-range versions – and conventional ammunition. (See 4)
13. Secondary Guns: 2 x 30mm DMS 30 (Bushmaster 30mm) Stabilized Rapid Fire 30mm Naval Gun Systems from BAE -(Port/Stbd of Flight Deck) (See 2)
14. Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC) Sensor Netting-Integrated Cyber Defence System; Integrated Bridge & Navigation System from OSI (See 2)
15. Internal/External Communications Suite-HF/UHF/SHF/VHF/SATCOM from L3 Harris. (See 2)
16. Electro Optical & Infrared Systems; Radio/Radar Electronic Support Measures (ESM) to include: Frequency Identification; Laser Warning & Countermeasures System; Radar/Radio Frequency Electronic Jammers; Electronic Decoy Systems. (See 2)
17 CMS: Lockheed Martin CMS 330/Aegis Combat System (ACS) in support of Co-operative Engagement Capability (CEC). (See 2)
18. Ultra Electronics Hull Mounted Sonar (HMS)-Ultra S2150. (See 5)
19. Ultra Electronics Active/Passive Towed Array Sonar (Sea Sabre-Low Frequency Active/Passive). (See 5)

20.Towed Torpedo Countermeasures (AN/SLQ-25 Nixie)-Sea Sentor S21700. (See 5)
21. Sonobouy Processing System from General Dynamics with expendable Acoustic Countermeasures. (See 2)
22. Combined Diesel Electric Gas Turbine (CODLOG) Propulsion System to include 1 X Rolls Royce RR/MT 30 Gas Turbine; 2 X Electronic Motors from General Electric; 4 X RR MTU Diesel Generators; Integrated Platform Management System from L3 Harris. (See 2)
23. CH 148 Cyclone Sikorsky (S-92) ASW Helicopter; SKELDAR V200 UAV systems from Saab-known as CU-176 "Gargoyle" (See 2/3)
24. Speed-approximately 27+kts. Statement Of Requirement (SOR) required this capability for US Carrier Battle Group (CBG) Ops. (See 2)
25. Crew Compliment-204 max crew (fitted with separate female quarters). (See 2)

26. Zodiac Hurricane Multi-Roll RHIBs. (See 6)

Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) Capability will not be part of the CSC Type 26 Frigate at this time and will not be discussed, however, it could easily be incorporated if decided by the Canadian government in the future.

 
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Delta204

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9. Sea Spider anti-torpedo system (Magellan/TKMS) (See 2)
... I don't see this anywhere; also, no open source info on this from what I can see. I know the RCN wants a hard kill anti torpedo option and the SeaSpider is perhaps a front-runner (due to it's Cdn connection) but I don't see anything about a contract being awarded.
 
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DAVID DUNLOP

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