Royal Australian Navy Discussions and Updates

[rjtjrt]

It was from an article on Turnbull pointing out.........

So not evidence based.
Depends who wrote the article and which media organisation it was for as to which particular bias was being scratched.
Just ask a Labor supporter as to how much credence they would give a News Corp article purporting to estimate support for a particular view point or policy.
This is getting way off topic so we should get back onto the RAN.

 

[gf0012-aust]

I'm just as guilty as others, but .....

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[rockitten]

So from K Rudd's 12 to original option j's 10, then Abnott's swan song 8 +4

Our navy is now very likely to get only 8 submarines. How likely the number may get even lower?

 

[gf0012-aust]

So from K Rudd's 12 to original option j's 10, then Abnott's swan song 8 +4

Our navy is now very likely to get only 8 submarines. How likely the number may get even lower?

Rudds 12 and Abbots 8+4 are one and the same

they were both proposed as TLB's

 

[Alf662]

It would seem that Naval Sea Systems Command expects the MK VI Patrol Boat to be capable of operating, at least in some fashion, from well decks.
Slide 30: Afloat Staging Base and/or Shore-Based Operations
MK VI Patrol Boat (MK VI PB) Multi Mission Reconfigurable Capabilities
Multi-Agency Craft Conference (MACC) 12 June 2014

Whilst a great capability these boats only fit into the well dock of an LHD / LSD and I think that the air draft and weight would prevent them being transported in other ways. If they were to be carried by an LHD / LSD it would be at the expense of the LCM1E and I feel that we would be asking to much of existing limited capabilities and is similar to the F35B argument which has already been thoroughly discussed.

The ADAS system (as well as USV and UUV technologies), is still in it's infancy and I think that the driving forces behind what would eventually be required for the ADF will be driven by size and weight, ie ability for stowage other than a well dock. This would mean deployment via a crane, davits, trailer/dolly or over head crane, which would bring the maximum weight down to around 25 tons.

 

[40 deg south]

I'm just as guilty as others, but .....

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A naval question, then.

Are there any indications of when Australia will make a new decision on replenishment ships? I understand you had a closed process, inviting bids from Navantia and DSME. How far has this progressed?

NZ had a tender that closed in June. Janes recently reported that the potential suppliers had been reduced to two - DSME and Hyundai. They are at the Best And Final Offer stage, meaning a decision is likely in early 2016 (or possibly earlier).

Naval support vessels from South Korea [DSEi15D3] - IHS Jane's 360

With DSME being shortlisted by both nations, I suppose there is potential for us to end up with customised variants of the same platform, presumaby the Aegir.

 

[hauritz]

A naval question, then.

Are there any indications of when Australia will make a new decision on replenishment ships? I understand you had a closed process, inviting bids from Navantia and DSME. How far has this progressed?

NZ had a tender that closed in June. Janes recently reported that the potential suppliers had been reduced to two - DSME and Hyundai. They are at the Best And Final Offer stage, meaning a decision is likely in early 2016 (or possibly earlier).

Naval support vessels from South Korea [DSEi15D3] - IHS Jane's 360

With DSME being shortlisted by both nations, I suppose there is potential for us to end up with customised variants of the same platform, presumaby the Aegir.

That would be the most sensible decision. We might even be able to negotiate a better contract.

 

[hairyman]

Re the number of submarines for the RAN. surely nine makes more sense than eight. They could be built in lots of 3, and each lot could have improvements added over the previous 3. The same could be done with the Frigates.

 

[alexsa]

It's not meant to replace the capes or the ACPB it's meant to be able to protect/escort the LCM-1E as they manouver to the shore line conduct patrols in brown water or patrol port Infrastructure.

Via Naval techolgy website it state that it can use the well deck of LHD, LPD and LSD class amphibious warfare ships for transport I am assuming the they either have a cradle of some discription or a means to be able to move the boat onto the steel beach of these ships.

Just thought they would be more versatile than what we have now and be designed for muliple role that they might be an important part of our Amphiboius manouver capabilty as well as providing another capabilty set for SOCOMD

At the expense of a slot for an LCM ........ and what sort of patrols. It seems a massive waste to use a LHD to carry small boats to conduct coastal patrols and to be honest a large armed RHIB would do as well without the cost and use of space.

The US would certainly have a use for this given the size of their Navy but we have just two LHDs so I think the money could be better spend else where

 

[gf0012-aust]

Re the number of submarines for the RAN. surely nine makes more sense than eight. They could be built in lots of 3, and each lot could have improvements added over the previous 3. The same could be done with the Frigates.

nope, 8 makes more sense - split fleet plus normal at sea, build, deep maint issues etc

ie 2 x 2.1.1

 

[John Fedup]

Looking forward to hearing the view from OZ posters regarding the latest comments from the pollies on the Collins replacement.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...nder-turnbull-government-20150917-gjpazk.html

 

[gf0012-aust]

Looking forward to hearing the view from OZ posters regarding the latest comments from the pollies on the Collins replacement.

Submarines set to be built in Australia under Turnbull government

As long as we don't go french I'd be happy

ignore the idiotic comments. 99.9% of the people contributing were half wits regurgitating stuff that they either know nothing about or where they've taken others comments as unvarnished truth

made my eyes bleed reading some of the posters comments......

 

[John Fedup]

As long as we don't go french I'd be happy

ignore the idiotic comments. 99.9% of the people contributing were half wits regurgitating stuff that they either know nothing about or where they've taken others comments as unvarnished truth

made my eyes bleed reading some of the posters comments......

As I am not a subscriber to Australian media, I won't be subjected to the half wit comment stuff. Besides, I have Canadian media comments to make my eyes bleed. Given the current electoral forecasts here, my eyes will bleed even more.

 

[gf0012-aust]

As I am not a subscriber to Australian media, I won't be subjected to the half wit comment stuff. Besides, I have Canadian media comments to make my eyes bleed. Given the current electoral forecasts here, my eyes will bleed even more.

politics has a universal theme present everywhere

ie for one side of politics its irrelevant whether the other sides solution has merit - even when it was originally their sides proposal.. the rusted on idealogues will follow their side over the cliff even though the logic says the opposite - or as I stated prev - even when it was their idea in the first place.

I have less of a problem with people bagging Collins as long as the opposing force feels the same. Unfortunately for us our notional enemies and partners have a better idea of the capability of collins so we lose a tactical edge.

seriously most of those posters wouldn't have a clue about sub manufacturing and/or capability - and even if it fell on their head they'd argue that it was a penguin if their side of politics said so....

there's a demonstrable lack of critical thinking in the current broader voting cohort (IMO), and I'd assume its not unique to Oz

 

[hauritz]

It appears that the Collins' replacement saga has a few more twists and turns remaining in it.

How many years has this debate been going on now?

We still don't seem to be any closer to resolving anything.

About the only thing I can say is that if the decision is made to build in SA then at least there will probably be some sort of Liberal/Labor consensus.

Had Abbott pushed for an off-shore build, and then lost the next election, that decision will have almost certainly been overturned by the incoming government. This would result in further delays.

 

[John Fedup]

there's a demonstrable lack of critical thinking in the current broader voting cohort (IMO), and I'd assume its not unique to Oz

Based on what I hear here in Canada, the lack of critical thinking is not unique to Australia.

 

[Muar River]

A naval question, then.

Are there any indications of when Australia will make a new decision on replenishment ships? I understand you had a closed process, inviting bids from Navantia and DSME. How far has this progressed?

NZ had a tender that closed in June. Janes recently reported that the potential suppliers had been reduced to two - DSME and Hyundai. They are at the Best And Final Offer stage, meaning a decision is likely in early 2016 (or possibly earlier).

With DSME being shortlisted by both nations, I suppose there is potential for us to end up with customised variants of the same platform, presumaby the Aegir.

We're still waiting but there was mention in the press around 8 weeks ago about a third AOR being ordered from South Korea. The article was in the Fin Review. My take (which is probably incorrect) was that the first two would be from Spain.

The article is AFRWeekend - PM's defence plan to blow out budget surplus.
The article also mentions the purchase of 15 to 16 P8s over the original 8.

 

[rockitten]

Good to know we are going to get 3AOR, only 2 is a bit too overstretched for such capability. But why 2 types of AOR?

 

[hauritz]

Australia has a new defence minister ... Marise Payne. She is the first female defence minister. She doesn't seem to have any experience in defence.

 

[Bluey 006]

Australia has a new defence minister ... Marise Payne. She is the first female defence minister. She doesn't seem to have any experience in defence.

Does anyone have any informed opinions on her? What her priorities might be?

From what a gather she is quite fond of emerging technologies...