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Royal Australian Navy Discussions and Updates

Discussion in 'Navy & Maritime' started by icelord, Feb 13, 2007.

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  1. swerve

    swerve Super Moderator

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    I visited HMAS Onslow, preserved at the National Maritime Museum in Sydney.

    I'd go crazy shut up in that small space with 60 or so other blokes.
     
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    You and me both. Nothing but the utmost respect for those that serve on these vessels.
     
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    One of the criticisms I heard of the Soryu was that it was that the living spaces were too small. The average Australian sailor is bigger than their Japanese counterpart so it probably would have been even more squeezy than the Collins subs.
     
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    Also, another issue with that hull is that it has less volume within the hull than the Collins currently,
    So there is no point lowering size, without much growth room.
     
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    With Australia purchasing the Triton, I was wondering if there are plans for the Canberra's to carry something similar. I'd not seen anything online.
     
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    I know, but compartmentalizing an already small space doesn't exactly make it more spacious. There is a lot more privacy and specific rooms. But the old o-boat salts were quite surprised. They had visions of it being a lot more roomy. Which it wasn't. Stuff ends up taking up the space. If you were claustrophobic, Standing in the server corridor on Collins, or trying to shuffle through the bulk head doors into the escape space isn't exactly going to put your mind at rest.

    I hope the Barracuda design concepts include some more space. They don't have to be quite as massive as the USN stuff. But if you want to make them crewable and deploy longer than even USN subs, habitability is an issue.
     
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    There was less internal diameter because they were double hulled.
     
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    The RAN has a program in place for a UAV to operate off Surface Ships. The only types currently available are Helicopters, no STOVL designs currently available.
     
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    There do seem to be a number of projects looking into STOVL UAVs.

    There is a growing list of nations operating, or building light carriers so there would be a huge potential market for this kind of aircraft. I am surprised that there isn't already an example being shopped around.
     
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    The S100 uav currently under trials has a range of 200 hundred k is this large enough for ship borne operations or could the ADF consider tendering for the development of something more ambitious
     
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    The RAN has also trialled Scaneagle, however to call it STOVL might be a bit of a stretch - although it does have a (very) short take off, and it lands (in a fashio) vertically.

    The helo presently being evaluated is of course the S-100 Camcopter
     
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    If Navy is eventually looking for a 'large' future UAV, the one to keep an eye on will be the Bell V-247 Vigilant (a tilt rotor UAV design):

    http://www.uasvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/V-247-Vigilant-Fact-Sheet.pdf

    And this:

    Bell V-247 Vigilant - Wikipedia

    Not in production yet, still development and design phase, but it appears to tick all the boxes for a large long endurance UAV that has many options for the payload, either weapons or sensors. It's a large bird, has the footprint of a UH-1Y Venom.

    Certainly would be handy on the LHDs, and is also capable of being operated of USN DDGs (and in RAN terms, I couldn't see a problem with them operating from the Hunter class FFGs either)

    One to watch for the future!!

    Cheers,
     
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    With the first new frigate being named the "Hunter' class then for our WA friends I suggest an appropriate name for their state would be "Dirk Hartog"

    :)
     
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    I keep wondering if the nine ships will be designated as a class by ‘batches’. The build process already alludes to an evolved design through the life of the build ..... much in the same way the RN had batches of its T42 and T22..... so perhaps the second and third trio will use a different naming convention.

    Just spit balling but it is an idea.
     
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    Except that they will be named after regions and although your suggestion may be an island it doesn’t meet the criteria. However
    i think that would be highly unusual as there are examples from the past which show the way.
    The original 8 x River class were followed very quickly by the 4 Bays but those names remained as rivers (Condamine, Culgoa, Murchison and Shoalhaven).
    So if they decide to stick with regions there are a number of names which have been used previously which could be applied, Derwent, Swan, Otway, Torrens, Shoalhaven and Barcoo for starters.
    In many cases regions and river are synonymous so that helps.
     
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    The other thing that could happen is each batch has a seperate theme. Which would follow the Anzacs to a degree. First you had Anzac(both a previous name and to represent the 2 Countries). then the 2 Tribal names, then 2 Rivers and 3 City names to finish them off. With 2 Capital names available(Melbourne & Darwin) it may make sense and the possibility exists that future batches may be slightly less ASW centric.
     
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    Perhaps one batch would find another use for the space from the mission bay
     
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    Since I was the only one who correctly predicted choosing the Type 26, I'm going to make another prediction.

    Between 2025-2030, there will be announcements of increases in both the number of vls cells per ship from 32 to between 56-88, and number of frigates built will increase from 9 to 15.

    Go ahead, mock me........ again, hehe!:)
     
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    Why would you want to get rid of the mission bay on the Hunter class FFGs? Why?

    One of the things I particularly like on the Hunters is the flexibility that the mission bay offers.

    Storage for an additional MH-60R, and/or a UAV or UAVs, extra RHIBs for a special forces operation (and their equipment), containers for HADR, containers for future UAVs, air, surface and underwater, lots of options for the future.


    On the other side of the coin, if, and I say 'if', the Hunter class design was eventually evolved further as a replacement for the Hobart class DDGs, then yes the back half of the ship does appear to lend itself for significant changes.

    As the design stands at the moment, there is the large flight deck (Chinook size capable), with the single hangar in front of it, followed by the mission bay.

    Where I could see a potential future 'reconfiguration' of the hanger/mission bay (again specifically for the DDGs with a primary AAW focus), is to remove the ships RHIBs (which sit either side of the single hangar), increase the height either side where the 30mm guns sit, 'square' it off to make a true double side by side hangar, and then move the RHIBs to either side of the mission bay, then the 'guts' of the mission bay could potentially be used for a significant increase in Strike Length Mk41 VLS.

    Anyway, I'm happy with the configuration of the Hunters in their FFG role, but maybe there is the potential for changes when it comes time to replace the DDGs.

    Cheers,
     
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