Royal Australian Navy Discussions and Updates 2.0

Morgo

Well-Known Member
While the Labor party make all the right public statements about the importance of AUKUS you just know that behind the scenes the rank and file doesn’t have the same level of enthusiasm.
I think that’s a generalisation. There are parts of the Labor Left (the “social” Left) that are like that (and are probably closer to the Greens) but then Pat Conroy and others like him seem to be big fans of the industrial and employment benefits of Defence spending.

The Labor Right (including the Deputy PM/Defence Minister and the Treasurer) I think are right behind it.

This upcoming tax review is going to be quite interesting in terms of coming up with a way to raise more revenue and pay for the needed / promised expenditures across Medicare / NDIS / Welfare / Defence. The pips are already squeaking.
 

MARKMILES77

Well-Known Member
Information out of the Paris Airshow reported in Flight Global.
MH-60Rs are becoming an important weapon in defending against UAVs.
Also mentioned in the same article, that the Royal Australian Navy is getting a Magnetic Anomaly Detector for it's MH-60Rs.
Have not seen this previously reported?


Flight Global
18 June 2025
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Sender

Active Member
Information out of the Paris Airshow reported in Flight Global.
MH-60Rs are becoming an important weapon in defending against UAVs.
Also mentioned in the same article, that the Royal Australian Navy is getting a Magnetic Anomaly Detector for it's MH-60Rs.
Have not seen this previously reported?


Flight Global
18 June 2025
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Information on the MAD here: Sikorsky and CAE bring digital Magnetic Anomaly Detection capability to MH-60R maritime helicopters | CAE
 

I hv I on U

New Member
Hi everyone, first time contributor

Noticed recent announcement from Spanish MOD regarding the contract award for the construction of a new combat supply ship (BAC) for the Spanish Navy to Navantia (delivery 2030).

Spanish MoD green-lights construction of new combat supply ship for navy (janes.com)

Sea 1654 - Maritime Operational Support Capability originally mentioned the option for a third vessel
With the future enlargement of the RAN combat fleet, would it not be the right time now to order a third AOR from a hot production line. I realize there are current issues with the Supply class, which may put people off a third vessel of this class, but hopefully that will shortly be a thing of the past. Is there any update on their return to normal duties?
Or maybe the RAN dusts off the plans for the two multi-role sealift and support ships - Project Sea2200 Interested to hear members views
 

Antipode

Member
Hi everyone, first time contributor

Noticed recent announcement from Spanish MOD regarding the contract award for the construction of a new combat supply ship (BAC) for the Spanish Navy to Navantia (delivery 2030).

Spanish MoD green-lights construction of new combat supply ship for navy (janes.com)

Sea 1654 - Maritime Operational Support Capability originally mentioned the option for a third vessel
With the future enlargement of the RAN combat fleet, would it not be the right time now to order a third AOR from a hot production line. I realize there are current issues with the Supply class, which may put people off a third vessel of this class, but hopefully that will shortly be a thing of the past. Is there any update on their return to normal duties?
Or maybe the RAN dusts off the plans for the two multi-role sealift and support ships - Project Sea2200 Interested to hear members views
The new Cantabria class will introduce some improvements such as CIWS system, a counter-UAS system (INDRA's Crow system) and installations for the support of air, sea and submarine drones.

Reference and some data here (with in built translator)


While no specifics on the CIWS have been given, there are references to "implementation of improvements developed for the Supply class."

Plan is for the Armada to operate the Cantabria plus this evolution, alongside a dedicated oil tanker.
 

Going Boeing

Well-Known Member
With the maintenance issues being experienced with the current AOR’s, it may be worth looking at other options. If an updated sister ship to HMNZS Aotearoa was purchased for the RAN, that would provide a capability to operate in the Southern Ocean in addition to the main areas of RAN operations. As the Kiwis have had a few years of operations with the type, any issues have surfaced and can be designed out of future vessels in the class. It would also help politically to increase our defence ties with Korea.

HMNZS Aotearoa Logistics Support Vessel
 

SammyC

Well-Known Member
Hi everyone, first time contributor

Noticed recent announcement from Spanish MOD regarding the contract award for the construction of a new combat supply ship (BAC) for the Spanish Navy to Navantia (delivery 2030).

Spanish MoD green-lights construction of new combat supply ship for navy (janes.com)

Sea 1654 - Maritime Operational Support Capability originally mentioned the option for a third vessel
With the future enlargement of the RAN combat fleet, would it not be the right time now to order a third AOR from a hot production line. I realize there are current issues with the Supply class, which may put people off a third vessel of this class, but hopefully that will shortly be a thing of the past. Is there any update on their return to normal duties?
Or maybe the RAN dusts off the plans for the two multi-role sealift and support ships - Project Sea2200 Interested to hear members views
Nice to meet you and welcome.

I think there may well be a mutiny if the Government elected to procure additional Navantia AORs at the moment.

Short term (next year or so) I would expect the current issues with both ships to be resolved and the reliability restored. In time the memories will fade.

Medium term (now to about mid 2030), the fleet will remain small, so two replenishment ships is likely sufficient. I doubt we would have enough destroyers and frigates to put to sea beyond this capacity.

Longer term, with the expanded fleet coming on line next decade, the logistics would point to needing more than two replenishment ships, but it would be a mid to late 2030s requirement. I suspect this will not come into the IIP for a few more cycles.

That would put Stalwart and Supply into their latter part of life, and it may be that a new class of say four ships comes into being, the first two in the mid to late 2030s as additional, the second two in the early 2040s as replacements for Stalwarts and Supply.

I would note that multi class small fleets are a logistical and crewing total pain in the but, so a future common platform would be preferable.

The multi role sea lift is an interesting idea, however I have a feeling we would be better to build more of the heavy landing craft for extra sea lift, and keep replenishment ships as replenishment specialists.

When Success sailed (which was the replenishment ship of my serving era), she was heavily filled for fuelling and stores, so I think reducing the replenishment storage capacity for sea lift would only limit the ability to support a convoy for an extended period. It's a bit like robbing Peter to Pay Paul, and if your replenishment ship can't replenish and has to frequently replenish itself, then it kind of defeats the intended purpose.
 

Reptilia

Well-Known Member
If we are gonna get more replenishment ships, the most modern would be the new AOE from Japan, foc to be completed in 2028, up to 5 planned by 2036 replacing the Towada and Mashu class.

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