Royal Australian Navy Discussions and Updates 2.0

[StevoJH]

As a manufacturing engineer I would love Australia to have a sovereign manufacturing capability for these missiles but surely it would be cheaper just to lay in a huge war stock. Presumably if we made them here the rate of production would only cover training usage, we couldn't possibly manufacture at the rate they would be consumed during hostilities and therefore would need to have a large war stock anyway. we could perhaps have a sovereign maintenance and upgrade capability (maybe we have already)
I am amazed that the Israelis have been able to sustain the usage rates of their air defence missiles

Cost isn't going to matter if we get into a situation where they are required. The main concern with purchases from overseas would be whether they would be available to purchase when needed.

Remember that the missile in the Iron Dome system is actually quite cheap and basic compared to something like ESSM.

 

[seaspear]

Should Australia develop an anti satellite technology making it harder to target sites or naval assets I am aware that Australia is a signatory to kinetic weapons being used against satellites but should other methods be considered

https://www.evona.com/blog/australia-asat-ban/

Will the next big conflict be fought in space? This is how the world is preparing for star wars

Satellites are under threat like never before and more countries are preparing for wars in space. So, what exactly is going on above the atmosphere? And should we be worried?

www.abc.net.au

 

[John Fedup]

Should Australia develop an anti satellite technology making it harder to target sites or naval assets I am aware that Australia is a signatory to kinetic weapons being used against satellites but should other methods be considered

https://www.evona.com/blog/australia-asat-ban/

Will the next big conflict be fought in space? This is how the world is preparing for star wars

Satellites are under threat like never before and more countries are preparing for wars in space. So, what exactly is going on above the atmosphere? And should we be worried?

www.abc.net.au

I have little doubt any peer to peer conflict will likely result in a nuke detonation in space to produce a big EMP for disabling satellites.

 

[Vivendi]

Aster - not well. In fact, at present, not really in the game although they would like to be.

Iron Dome - good for short range interceptions, not into mid course (ie SM3 stuff).

David’s Sling (Stunner) - more capable but still not up to SM3. More like PAC 3.

Arrow 3. Competent.

I believe SAMP/T NG using the Aster 30 B1NT should be more relevant, if it meets the specifications of course. IDEX 2025 - Eurosam promotes Advanced Aster 30 B1NT Missile and SAMPT NG - EDR Magazine

The current Aster 30 has several weaknesses but nevertheless been demonstrated to have some anti-ballistic capabilities by both French and UK navies.
French Alsace frigate intercepts three ballistic missiles in the Red Sea - Militarnyi
HMS Diamond makes first Sea Viper anti-ballistic missile kill in action in the Gulf of Aden - Navy Lookout

UK testing of Aster 30: Historic 1st For The U.K! Royal Navy's Most Advanced Warship Shoots Down Supersonic Missile Near Scotland

UK, France and Italy are also ordering more Aster missiles, hopefully this will ultimately lead to a reduction in unit costs: France, Italy and the UK order more than 200 additional Aster missiles from MBDA - Naval News

 

[Todjaeger]

Cost isn't going to matter if we get into a situation where they are required. The main concern with purchases from overseas would be whether they would be available to purchase when needed.

Remember that the missile in the Iron Dome system is actually quite cheap and basic compared to something like ESSM.

If/when a hot conflict breaks out then yes, cost will likely not be particularly important. However cost does very much matter beforehand since that can dictate, at least in part, whether or not a facility and workforce is actually employed and sustained.

If the cost of a given missile is quite high, then Australia (or anyone else for that matter) might not be willing to invest the amount of coin needed to establish a significant warstock pre-conflict. Depending on the size/skill of a workforce as well as the capabilities of the facility itself, it is quite conceivable that a missile production facility could fulfill the stocking order to provide a missile inventory and then gov't/pollies might not be willing to spend more coin to keep production going until a conflict breaks out.

 

[spoz]

I believe SAMP/T NG using the Aster 30 B1NT should be more relevant, if it meets the specifications of course. IDEX 2025 - Eurosam promotes Advanced Aster 30 B1NT Missile and SAMPT NG - EDR Magazine

The current Aster 30 has several weaknesses but nevertheless been demonstrated to have some anti-ballistic capabilities by both French and UK navies.
French Alsace frigate intercepts three ballistic missiles in the Red Sea - Militarnyi
HMS Diamond makes first Sea Viper anti-ballistic missile kill in action in the Gulf of Aden - Navy Lookout

UK testing of Aster 30: Historic 1st For The U.K! Royal Navy's Most Advanced Warship Shoots Down Supersonic Missile Near Scotland

UK, France and Italy are also ordering more Aster missiles, hopefully this will ultimately lead to a reduction in unit costs: France, Italy and the UK order more than 200 additional Aster missiles from MBDA - Naval News

Agree they are moving that way; but there is a lot of difference between being able to take out an ICBM in mid course (SM-3) and being able to takeout a Scud like short range missile (Aster). The Europeans are aiming for the former but haven’t got there yet. I’m pretty sure that, provided the commitment is there, they will. They undoubtedly have the technical capability to do so.