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NZDF General discussion thread

Discussion in 'Geostrategic Issues' started by NZLAV, Apr 14, 2007.

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  1. John Fedup

    John Fedup Well-Known Member

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    Hyperstealth Biotechnology is a Canadian company that uses fractal mathematics to design camo patterns. They developed numerous designs for militaries around the world. They are a design company only, they license the designs to manufacturers of uniforms. If your operations are confined to the same environment, perhaps a single pattern is ok. For militaries with operations around the world or countries with vastly different regions (e.g. Canada), several patterns are needed.
     
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    Thanks John, yup - aware of Hyperstealth’s background and that they primarily design patterns and not manufacture, from memory Guy Cramer is President/ CEO and one of their designs was selected for the Afghan army post the majority of the Taliban being routed and a provisional government being installed.

    Just for clarification, I wasn’t taking a swipe at Hyperstealth, just bemused / annoyed that we (NZDF) spent a lot of money through trialling, paying for the rights to Hyperstealth for the pattern and then paid a manufacturer who produced uniforms not up to the requisite standard (didn’t fit great, faded very quickly, stitching issues etc etc).

    Now we are changing everything after 6-7 years.

    I know there is the benefit of hindsight, just thought we could have done better with some known quantities at the time.

    Cheers.
     
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  3. 40 deg south

    40 deg south Well-Known Member

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    It does seem like a classic NZ defence example of 'penny-wise, pound foolish'.

    Spend a lot of time/money identifying the specially-designed-for-New Zealand 'ideal solution', then contract actual production to a manufacturer who delivers a substandard product.

    Sometimes going 'off-the-shelf' up front really is the smart option.

    http://airforce.mil.nz/downloads/pdf/airforce-news/afn214.pdf

    Pp 16-17 of the June 'Air Force News' have pics of some items issued to aircrew in the new pattern.
     
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  4. John Fedup

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    Yep, Cramer is the CEO. Not sure if the NZ media ever copied the picture of a Canadian soldier arriving in Afghanistan in a forest green camouflage pattern uniform in early 2002. When it comes to incompetence on defence matters , Canadian governments excel, especially the one run by Chrétien.
     
  5. RegR

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    Not RNZAF per se, more 3 Sqn, but they have always done their own thing TBH. I would have thought pick a pattern and stick with it so if these guys "need" this particular kit then logically select this pattern as uniform (pun intended) defence issue. Our services already have their individual uniforms, starts looking abit messy (plus we are literally too small) when units start doing the same, nevermind the added logistics, costs etc.

    For example I wonder how much we lost on the short lived unique MCU experiment?
     
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    Which New Zealand Defence Companies have pubically listed shares available for purchase?

    Good evening all.

    I would like to purchase shares in New Zealand defence industry companies.

    In the American sharemarket I own shares in Huntington Ingalls Industries, General Dynamics and Northrop Grumman. No response has been received from the NZDIA regarding which New Zealand Defence Industry companies have shares available for purchase.

    Can someone please list the three largest defence industry companies in NZ that are listed on the NZ stock market thank you.

    Yours Faithfully
    Catalina
     
  7. MrConservative

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    There are no publicly listed companies on the NZX Catalina. The NZDIA are all just SME-MME sized privately held companies.
     
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  8. Todjaeger

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    No, if one wishes to get a reaction, one should launch a cyber attack which deletes or otherwise re-labels the store and warehouse/distribution chain inventories throughout NZ for anything listed as a certain type of beverage... I am certain that would trigger a reaction from certain corners of DT not unlike this one. Yes, I know this suggestion is playing with fire, but...
     
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  9. ngatimozart

    ngatimozart Super Moderator Staff Member Verified Defense Pro

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    Oooh that is a terrible thing to link to on here. You are an evil man, absolutely evil. Months of therapy I'll have to take now and for that you'll probably have to undertake a suitable punishment, when I can find one suitable and fit enough.
     
  10. John Fedup

    John Fedup Well-Known Member

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    BTW, great movie for the nautically inclined. Is the USN still the only 5eyes navy running dry ships?
     
  11. ngatimozart

    ngatimozart Super Moderator Staff Member Verified Defense Pro

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    Nope the RNZN are running dry ships. That didn't and hasn't gone down well with some of the older salts still serving.
     
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  12. RegR

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    The younger ones either ngati, no one likes being treated like a child for the sake of PCness. I was only on CY a week at a time and having a couple (keyword couple) during a set function designed to break the monotony actually did wonders. Ah well times are a changing, for the better is still up for debate.
     
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    NZDF joining multi-national military Exercise in Australia

    Some cool video's loading the vehicles (27 Lavs, 19 other vehicles), and one of the three NH-90's through the hanger:


     
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    Defence Technology Review : DTR JUL 2019, Page 1

    I have put this post here as it deals with the DCP and I cant find the NZ Navy Link its disappeared on me

    Reading the latest edition to the July issue of Defence Technology Review there is a review on the NZ Defence Capability Plan on Page 18 there is a comment on the possible acquisition of the South Ocean Patrol Vessel and its possible increase in capabilities in the Southern Ocean and thus allow the two 85 metre Protector class Patrol Vessels (A third on Order) greater capacity to respond to the South Pacific.

    A third on order! did I miss something somewhere or is the Magazine referencing old data. I didn’t know there was a third on order, or am I just reading the article wrong.
     
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    You aren't reading it wrong, and it's not old data...it's merely a fantasy or bad research on the part of the author! I'd certainly interpret that way too but the DCP would be quite clear on that point if it were true. The 3rd OPV will be the Southern Ocean one and likely to be a few years away yet.
     
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    The winter edition of the Line of Defence publication was released recently, and has some interesting pieces by Ron Mark, Mark Mitchell, Dr. Peter Greener and Dr. Wayne Mapp.

    It sounds like the DCP has been well received overall, and the NZ industry appears happy that they will be given more engagement opportunities in the future. With that finally signed off on, Mr. Mark says his focus will now turn to the Defence Estate regeneration program. It would be a shame to see this can kicked down the road yet again so hopefully he is able to deliver more success here.

    On the tactical airlift replacement Dr. Greener suggests that the A400M was passed over due its larger size limiting it's short/rough runway capability compared to the C-130J, while the KC-390 and C-2 were considered unproven platforms. I think the C-130J had a number of other factors in it's favour too, not least of which was the ease of transition. The C-130 is a proven platform that the RNZAF already has extensive experience with, so building up FoC with the C-130J will certainly be easier than with a brand new platform. With so many other platforms being introduced and upgraded across the NZDF over the next decade you can understand their desire to simplify this transition.
     
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    Ron Mark (NZ Defence Minister) has been in China for the last week;
    NZ 'resets relationship' with China - defence expert

    The text of the memorandum of Arrangement can be found here: http://img.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/1907/Memorandum_of_Arrangement_Concerning_Defence_Cooperation.pdf
     
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    The defence minister Ron Mark has announced a review of NZDF bases.

    'Nimbies' threatening Whenuapai's future: Defence Minister

    Whenuapai (Airforce - noise) and Devenport (Climate change) in particular are focused on in the article.

    I know he meant pressures from houses close by mean it is now unsafe to load bombs etc onto P-3/P-8s, in light of the lack of government interest quote this sounded about right for the defence force itself o_O
     
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    They have not loaded bombs in Whenuapai for quite sometime now, the P3s would transit down to Ohakea, bomb up then fly back upto kaipara to drop them so thats not an issue, especially since the P8s are moving anyway.

    They must be getting ready to close Auckland as they just built the new medical facility, currently refurbing the barracks and are about to open the new gym. Usually the case.
     
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