Cheers CD, yea look pretty impressive especially under armour. Hopefully will go back to green was never a big fan of clay, leave that to the spec vehicles.
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Cheers CD, yea look pretty impressive especially under armour. Hopefully will go back to green was never a big fan of clay, leave that to the spec vehicles.
Hey Reg,
We went to tan because it cost so much spray painting our fleet from deep bronze green to white (UN colours) tan does not need as many coats as deep bronze green requires, ive gotten use to tan it fits more areas .
CD
Yes I had heard that somewhere, but in saying that when was the last time we deployed (our own) vehicles on a UN op? Bosnia? Seems like a huge effort although I suppose the fleets were in need of a spruce up back then. Also noticed a shift back to green in the newer fleets ie LAV, Pinz, Actros etc so just assumed the trucks would follow suit. Also seems abit mexican to have all these different coloured vehs, US cam recovery vehs towing tan trucks supporting green LAVs followed by white NMVs(not so much these days) with a mix of trailer colours.
Agreed tan would be a better suit to the likes of Waiouru, Afghan etc but I dunno the dark green just gets me. I suppose if only we had enough vehicles/finances to have an even mix across all fleets to cater for specific ops/areas but I think if anything these days we will see smaller numbers of everything.
SSgt
have you read my reply to your last question ? mortars will be embedded into 162/163 39 bty will cease to exsist come Dec 12 in its current form.
Fire fight in Bamyan
A bad day for NZ Army:
Two KIA & six WIA around Do Abe in the North east of the Bamiyan AO,
Two Kiwis killed, six wounded in Bamyan - Yahoo! New Zealand News
Our withdraw is not as easy as some of our senior Sirs hoped it would be.
A bad day for NZ Army:
Two KIA & six WIA around Do Abe in the North east of the Bamiyan AO,
Two Kiwis killed, six wounded in Bamyan - Yahoo! New Zealand News
Our withdraw is not as easy as some of our senior Sirs hoped it would be.
Do you know if they were hit with an IED.?
Sorry Steve my hands are tied until its in the main stream news, just listening to the CDF it sounds like a complex ambush he mentioned anti armoured fire with small arms.
No worries Cadre i watched the news at 12.00 classic ambush well carried out.
I know our government has their minds on leaving the country but as a New Zealander i want payback i hope they go on offense and hunt these guys down i'm sure there will be no shortage of infantry or SAS who would be keen to do the job.
Cadre change of topic here in WW2 a New Zealand infantry battalion was made up of 750-780 men with a Headquarters company of approx 250 men which consisted of battalion headquarters, signals platoon,transport platoon,bren carrier platoon,Pioneer platoon, mortar platoon,i think an anti aircraft platoon.
Then you had the 4 rifle companies each approx 125 strong.
How is a 2012 New Zealand infantry Battalion set up and what would the battalion number at full strength.?
Alot of New Zealanders dont understand is that the PRT is not postured for Offensive/Kinetic Ops like our cousins down south, we fall under the umbrella of MFAT with its nation building as priority one (Left over from uncle helen & now johnny boy leadership) our big stick left Afghan in April.
utu takes a back seat yes the team are hurting but rash judgement calls like following the bad guys into someone else back yard (another brigade AO) brings down a world of hurt from those sitting at ISAF HQ, we have been burnt before.
Last but not least there is only a platoon + in Bamyan of RNZIR out of a total number of 129 pers not exactly a force to be reckoned with or to provide utu when you still have to provide security for a AO the size of Hawkes bay / Central Plateau combined, little known facts of our role in Bamyan.
CD
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I understand about the PRT not being there for offensive operations when i spoke about getting payback i was thinking of the SAS being sent back over quietly or some infantry reinforcements.
I certainly wouldn't do anything rash revenge is best served cold getting payback would have to be well planned and carried out with cool heads.
The reports that have been released to the public say 17 insurgents were seen leaving the area carrying their dead and wounded so our guys by the sound of things put something back on them which is good and i read they captured one who has been handed over to the afgan police..
Talking about having to patrol a large area i remember on the news seeing a piece about british forces and they had something like 16 of them them plus a handful from another country and 200 afgan national army to control an area of 200 square km.
I feel for our soldiers because our political leaders live on another planet.
Did we get into trouble for going into another area? when did that happen.
Remember, the Kiwis aren't by themselves in Afghanistan - there's the whole of ISAF to back them up. There's no great need to fly in reinforcements when any identified surface can be sledgehammered by the Yanks of RC-E.
Not going to happen our PRT personel cap is 140 pers, the NZSAS were part of another operation so came under a different cap to bring more soldiers in means we have to reduce somewhere else since MFAT hold the purse strings we most go begging cap in hand to Murry McCully & PM.
The mission comes first im not saying that we dont think about it but the mission must come first and thats what the boys will do.
They know our limitations hence them withdrawing into another Brigade AO, we will see just how effective the lads were but what really occured will stay in house.
Be honest Steve nothing new been like that since we left these shores for Africa at the turn of last century so I dont hold much faith in either party.
Same area different time when you operate outside your mandate then people get called into the Beehive to please explain once burnt twice shy.
CD
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Keep us as updated as to how they performed as you can i understand there are limits as to what can be released to the public for security reasons hopefully they performed well our soldiers are well trained and the fact that the insurgents were carrying some of their people away our fire seems to have had some effect.
I read on the news they say this is a new group of insurgents who have came up from the south and they are better trained and funded and have a pretty good bomb maker with them.
It said that our military has been aware of them for sometime and actively working against them.
We are going to be there till i think the end of next year plenty of time for more to happen and it makes me nervous because this new group of insurgents are ramping things up but by what you say our political leaders don't have the same mindset.
My way of thinking we need to get more people over there and take the offense against these guys and hit them as hard as we can putting the maximum pressure on them disrupting their operations to minimize the damage they can do to us till we leave but as you have said that really doesn't look like happening so all our people can do over there is work with what they have stay alert and hope luck is on their side.
Pretty sad state of affairs.
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Again, you are looking at this one incident in isolation. Events like this happen all the time, although luckily not often with the same outcome. You can't send in the cavalry every time you have a small tactical setback. The NZ PRT don't operate in a vacuum, and If there is a new insurgent cell in Bamyan, then the battlespace owners will respond appropriately. Remember, the PRT operate in an environment that is secured by others, their job isn't to run around and whack every insurgent that sticks his head above the parapet. There are more than enough bayonets in RC-E to do that if required.
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Steve dont believe everything you read on the news or hear, some of it is true & some is made up or heard thirld hand by someone who knows something who heard from someone who was there.
Thats part of the job shit happens thats why you train for the worse case senario, they might be new or most likely they could be better trained makes no difference the mission still goes on.
There is enough strike power in theater, the wheels will be turning already to deal with this setback, im not bothered I personally know what the trained state is of this PRT and the next if NZ thought that this was like Timor well they will be disappointed
No thats life serving in a AO like Bamyan.
CD
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Cadre just to clarify when i said a pretty sad state of affairs i was talking more about the attitude our politcal leaders have shown to Afganistan then the conditions on the ground for the troops yes they are in a war zone and people get maimed and killed you dish it out and take it.
I for one never thought it would be like Timor Aunty helen put our PRT there because she was politically smart enough to know that what happened on sep 11 was huge and she couldn't sit on the fence so the PRT was deployed to bamiyan province which was considered a less violent area and the government could sell it to the public that our boys weren't there waging war killing people they were nice boys helping rebuild the country and they thought in doing this they could keep our casulties down but our leaders are finding out the hard way in a war torn country no where is safe.
I for one never thought it would be like Timor Aunty helen put our PRT there because she was politically smart enough to know that what happened on sep 11 was huge and she couldn't sit on the fence so the PRT was deployed to bamiyan province which was considered a less violent area and the government could sell it to the public that our boys weren't there waging war killing people they were nice boys helping rebuild the country and they thought in doing this they could keep our casulties down but our leaders are finding out the hard way in a war torn country no where is safe.
RIP to the 2 Kiwis killed and speedy recovery for the wounded. Many thanks for the updates.
Just a side note to let you guys know that I cleaned up the quote formatting in a few of the last few posts so that they show the "correct" person being quoted (which should help with ease of reading).