Yep reckon the Mog would make for a good conversion to a camper. Could go lots of places that many wouldn't normally. IIRC the Waimakariri River bed claimed a Mog so wouldn't go there. Probably get run over by a jet boat.
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kiwi in exile
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Not a huge surprise that these were chosen given that we allready have some (4 maybe?) of the 8x8 trucks with our gap crossing system
NZ Army - Gap Crossing System.
These have allready been trialled with the Canterbury
RNZN - 2012 July Army muscle power comes aboard CANTERBURY
I like that they can be uparmoured and armed if need be, IE we can actually deploy them on a mission if needed. The fact that apparently the truck have 80% parts commonality with civillian trucks is a bonus.
The Brits (and maybe the aussies) also operate the MAN SX45 8x8, which is apparently a tougher, more mobile version of the HX77. Would be good if we could get a handful of these as well.
kiwi in exile
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The scoop press release states:
"Variants to be purchased include trucks fitted with winches and cranes to allow completely independent operations, dump trucks, trucks fitted with specialised pallet and container handling equipment, and tractor/semi-trailer combinations to carry heavy vehicles and equipment."
Regarding the tractor/semi-trailer combos: I guess the MAN trucks have better off road performance than the Meccedes heavy transporters we allready have. Are the MAN tractors/semis intended to compliment the Mercs or replace them?
"Variants to be purchased include trucks fitted with winches and cranes to allow completely independent operations, dump trucks, trucks fitted with specialised pallet and container handling equipment, and tractor/semi-trailer combinations to carry heavy vehicles and equipment."
Regarding the tractor/semi-trailer combos: I guess the MAN trucks have better off road performance than the Meccedes heavy transporters we allready have. Are the MAN tractors/semis intended to compliment the Mercs or replace them?
The Merc Actros transporters are the tar-seal heavy lifters they have no cross country ability, there role is purely moving oversized equipment between camps and trentham, the MAN vehicles will do the Combat Logistics role supporting the LAV etc.
40 deg south
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Are the trucks actually being assembled in the UK, or is NZ simply tacking the order onto a batch being produced in Germany for the UK.
Sounds like a good idea, either way. Who knows, perhaps this signals the start of a smarter approach towards aquisitions?
40 deg south
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Nothing on the NZDF website, but stumbled across this. Can't post link as new member, but google will find it.
Selex ES sees export success in UAE, New Zealand, Poland: €11.5M for artillery pointing systems
08 May 2013
Boosting its drive for growth in export markets, Selex ES, a Finmeccanica company, has recently seen its LINAPS artillery pointing technology selected by a number of international customers in contracts totalling more than €11.5 Million. The contracts include;
An award from the New Zealand Defence Force to supply complete LINAPS systems for their L119 Light Gun fleet.
Selex ES sees export success in UAE, New Zealand, Poland: €11.5M for artillery pointing systems
08 May 2013
Boosting its drive for growth in export markets, Selex ES, a Finmeccanica company, has recently seen its LINAPS artillery pointing technology selected by a number of international customers in contracts totalling more than €11.5 Million. The contracts include;
An award from the New Zealand Defence Force to supply complete LINAPS systems for their L119 Light Gun fleet.
Does anyone know how many Mogs & 2228's are currently in service? It'd be interesting to gauge if 200 is a 1:1 replacement or a decrease.
Current Fleet numbers Mogs and 2228's.
http://www.mercedes-benz.co.nz/cont...ORLD/Driveline_Magazine/Driveline_issue10.pdf
See page 4 .The Fleet is over 400 Unimogs and 70 Highway trucks mostly 2228's circa June 2010.NZ Parliment Question for written Answer 4287 there was 435 Unimogs in service in 2006.Gives run down of where they were.then E.g. 16 Field Regt 43,3 Logistics BN 53 etc.Having trouble getting the link.
200 capable vehicles being brought ,numbers do look like the minimum possible given the numbers above as some of the 200 are specialist vehicles Eg Dump trucks.Ratio general vehicles could be little over 1 to 4.
http://www.mercedes-benz.co.nz/cont...ORLD/Driveline_Magazine/Driveline_issue10.pdf
See page 4 .The Fleet is over 400 Unimogs and 70 Highway trucks mostly 2228's circa June 2010.NZ Parliment Question for written Answer 4287 there was 435 Unimogs in service in 2006.Gives run down of where they were.then E.g. 16 Field Regt 43,3 Logistics BN 53 etc.Having trouble getting the link.
200 capable vehicles being brought ,numbers do look like the minimum possible given the numbers above as some of the 200 are specialist vehicles Eg Dump trucks.Ratio general vehicles could be little over 1 to 4.
It will be less than half the numbers but apparently these trucks are alot more capable with loads/capability etc. With the hook lift trucks they can now move a containerised unit such as workshops/medics/supply/HQs and ground mount them then move onto another unit therefore not tying up that particular truck to one unit. All good until you have to move in a hurry for any reason but still has its merits ie in the rear echs.
The specialised trucks such as cranes (mog hiabs) and dump trucks (2228s) all came from within the same family of MBs which were purchased back in the early 80's when the army (DF in general) was abit bigger therefore not as many numbers required these days I suppose, however in my veiw better to have more and not need it than to be caught short and left wanting. It could be adequate now but in time once fatigue kicks in from overuse and maintanence and availability issues rear its head then we will wish we had spares let alone usual attrition losses.
It was the same with the landrover replacements as in not 1 for 1 but a fleet decrease, actually a few NZDF platforms now that I think about it, but was somewhat offset by purchaseing a number of COTS varients(currently tritons) for lighter duties and training. A similar deal for trucks maybe, no need for expensive MOTS when COTS will cover some roles cheaper, maybe 50-100 hino/fuso/Isuzu types to complement.
The specialised trucks such as cranes (mog hiabs) and dump trucks (2228s) all came from within the same family of MBs which were purchased back in the early 80's when the army (DF in general) was abit bigger therefore not as many numbers required these days I suppose, however in my veiw better to have more and not need it than to be caught short and left wanting. It could be adequate now but in time once fatigue kicks in from overuse and maintanence and availability issues rear its head then we will wish we had spares let alone usual attrition losses.
It was the same with the landrover replacements as in not 1 for 1 but a fleet decrease, actually a few NZDF platforms now that I think about it, but was somewhat offset by purchaseing a number of COTS varients(currently tritons) for lighter duties and training. A similar deal for trucks maybe, no need for expensive MOTS when COTS will cover some roles cheaper, maybe 50-100 hino/fuso/Isuzu types to complement.
t68
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Yeah the ADF did that sometime ago for example we have the old Mack 6x6 for moving some of the heavier loads with plant trailer we bought some CH model Macks for strictly admin moves they also bought some Mitsubishi Canters 4x4 for ambo workshops encetra. smart move IMHO does about 90% of the same job as the dedicated vehicles.
Agreed no point having a milspec truck with all the bells and whistles when you only want to run a admin load of spares between camps, cheaper to just use a civilian derived truck that does the same job saving the gucci trucks for the more demanding tactical tasks.
I sure hope so anyway because 200 MANs to replace 435 mogs and 70 2228s does'nt quite add up, NZDF has'nt downsized that much has it?
Yeah and they're for all 3 services apparently so numbers could be tight - I guess they're a fairly easy thing to order another tranche of - but no suggestion of that alluded to. If this is the lot then I hope they ring-fence this fleet for operational / tactical use and use civvy-spec drays & maybe even contractors!?!?! for the 'admin' tasks.
The original plan was to split the buy in two,
1. first off the operational needs was to be first, hence the 200 vehicle fleet replacing all the current fleet of U1700L and 2228 etc.
2. second purchase was a COTs buy for the schools and units not requiring the full operational fit out during training and exercises,
3. Resupply between bases was meant to be provided by civvie contractors to replace the U2028 road haulage currently provided by 10 Tpt Coy heavy lift contract still not confirmed as of yet.
Whether this is still the plan I don't know at this point of time however this current buy feels a little too small for me, 2 ER already use civvie contractors to supply plant for heavy construction means so maybe something is in the pipeline?.
Quick question about QAMR, I've just been on wiki, and it seems that it has expanded, which is good news, I had heard a rumor that QAMR was going to raise their own mechanised infantry, but otoh I have heard that 2/1 would provide the infantry, any of you kiwis set me on the right track?
Hi Old Faithful,
1RNZIR disbanded W Company to form one of the sqns in QAMR, the other sqn is building up numbers slowly, 3/6 RNZIR is also to provide dismounts to QAMR during training and Ops when required.
2/1 and 1RNZIR have both reverted to full Light Infantry each Battalion has been given a different skill set to train too.
CD
Hi cadre saw the film today of the firefight in Afganistan the terrain was perfect for the ambush our guys had so little room to move where they were it was so narrow and the Taliban up top with the high ground advantage.
Our guys looked to respond well in the film footage that was shown there were leaders giving clear instructions to the gunners trying to identify targets.
I saw on the TV there was accusations made by some quarters who they didn't name that the Comanding officer was to aggressive but the army rebuked this saying he made the right decision to attempt to scout and secure the high ground to make sure there were no taliban there.
Hi CD, is there any plan to replace W Coy in the battalion since they have lost it to QA or is 1 Bn going to be a 2 coy Bn? Is the EIC also still part of whichever Bn or kind of its own seperate entity?
I hope these are not reflections of the manning levels and just a case of interim rapid expansion and spreading the experience otherwise they are indeed 'light' infantry Battalions.
Thanks for the replies guys, I always thought that NZ Army needed 3 infantry bns, QAMR, although armoured regt, will be a nice unit, cross between mech infantry and cav?
Please correct me if I'm mistaken. In New Zealand army service , the Minimi is issued at section level as a light machine gun and the MAG/L7 GPMG is issued to the Support Companies of various infantry battalions as a sustained fire weapon - is this correct?
How are 81mm mortars distributed, as Mortar Platoons which are part of Support Companies?
Do infantry sections still use 60mm mortars?
How are 81mm mortars distributed, as Mortar Platoons which are part of Support Companies?
Do infantry sections still use 60mm mortars?
kiwi in exile
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They were in a tricky spot.
It's hard to get a good picture of what happened from the 3 minute clip. I read somewhere (one of the news sites) that that footage was taken 1 hour into the firefight. Would be good to get a more detailed account of what happened.