t68
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Apparently the covid-19 is spiking within the USN. I wonder how this affects the majority of defence forces across the globe operationally. But as suspected within the USMC thread the virus has impacted a number of exercise
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I am trying to find positives in all this. Mainly for my own sanity. I actually do believe that economically we will undergo short term pain but things will turn around relatively quickly. The bulk of business suffering would appear to be the traditional retail industry ... but to be honest they were dying a slow death anyway. The traditional store has been fighting a losing battle to keep up with online retailing for years. Online retailers are open 24 hours a day and can offer a bigger product range at better prices. When it does come time for the traditional retailer to reopen its stores it may find that much of its old customer base has moved on.
For many other companies, it is just business as usual. I have worked from home for years and have a small but reliable client base. So far I can't say that I have noticed any drop off in work. If you work in front of a computer it doesn't make a lot of difference where you are working from. A lot of the companies I do work for have been transitioning their workforce to either work from home or have been becoming more reliant on freelancers and contractors anyway.
We might also see the manufacturing industry come back home as well. For example, just about every western nation is struggling to get their hands on medical equipment and supplies. Even hand sanitiser is almost impossible to get. The reason is simply that all this stuff is coming from China. It may not be a bad thing for countries to take back some control of their domestic manufacturing industries particularly when these industries are delivering essential services.
There is a lot of pain out there at the moment but for most of us the sun will still come up again tomorrow and smart businesses will find ways to keep their doors open and perhaps even find new opportunities.
For many other companies, it is just business as usual. I have worked from home for years and have a small but reliable client base. So far I can't say that I have noticed any drop off in work. If you work in front of a computer it doesn't make a lot of difference where you are working from. A lot of the companies I do work for have been transitioning their workforce to either work from home or have been becoming more reliant on freelancers and contractors anyway.
We might also see the manufacturing industry come back home as well. For example, just about every western nation is struggling to get their hands on medical equipment and supplies. Even hand sanitiser is almost impossible to get. The reason is simply that all this stuff is coming from China. It may not be a bad thing for countries to take back some control of their domestic manufacturing industries particularly when these industries are delivering essential services.
There is a lot of pain out there at the moment but for most of us the sun will still come up again tomorrow and smart businesses will find ways to keep their doors open and perhaps even find new opportunities.
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The exercise cancellations are prudent precautions, they can be rescheduled. Assets like CVNs being affected are a much bigger concern. As for the global impact, I suspect all players will have difficult times and I doubt any one particular national military will get an appreciable advantage from this crisis.
Ananda
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The thing is, with China COVID 19 seems slowing down, some of the capacities that being build up during previous months for medical supplies are now open to export.
Granted many more essentials medical equipment should be also hold domestically. Still perhaps half of it will still come from China.
The Great Dunny Roll heist has been solved and 400 toilet rolls recovered. One of the offenders not sure if it was dumb or dumber will appear in court next week.
.Yes I agree with that and have seen no reason to change my mind. I see that the media here appears to be taking the ChiCom announcements as gospel.
I have posted info on this twice in this thread.
The South China Morning Post reported that some time ago, 41 medical staff in Singapore were quarantined after they were exposed to a single patient, whom they did not know had the coronavirus at that time — no transmission in this reported case. As I explained earlier, medical staff in Singapore have confidence in its protocol:
“...amid all the gloom, Singapore’s experience is being held up as a reason for optimism. The city state has reported more than 630 cases of infection, all of which are being treated in hospital, yet only a handful of its health care professionals have been infected. What’s more, even these cases, according to Vernon Lee, director of communicable diseases at the Ministry of Health, are thought to have been infected outside the health care setting.
Experts suggest this has been more than just luck, pointing to a case in which 41 health workers were exposed to the coronavirus in a Singapore hospital yet evaded infection.
The workers had all come within two metres of a middle-aged man with Covid-19 who was being intubated, a procedure which involves a tube being inserted into the patient’s trachea. The procedure is seen as being particularly hazardous for health workers as it is “aerosol generating” – patients are likely to cough.”
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John Fedup
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I am convinced that Singapore’s and SK’s more disciplined and responsive citizens are also helping in minimizing the crisis in addition to the excellent healthcare performance.
The brute force of the CCP may be producing similar results. Maybe this virus should have been named CCP-19.
The brute force of the CCP may be producing similar results. Maybe this virus should have been named CCP-19.
There was a great article (Greg Sheridan)in the online “Australian” (a Murdoch paper) this weekend which made the very point that the Confucian societies, some of whom you mention, are more disciplined, obey their leaders and respect the common good.
Whereas in the “enlightened” western democracies the personal rights and individual freedoms are espoused to such a high degree that they usurp the greater society good (particularly over the last 3 decades) needed to combat the pandemic.
The many examples of people’s total disregard for controls to fight the virus illustrates this point.
I don’t have the link.
John Fedup
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Unfortunately the people just below our southern border are big believers in enlightenment to the point where a major tragedy is possible (along with less than ideal leadership from the WH).
John Fedup
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According to this article there seems to be tensions between Hubei and adjacent provinces now the “relaxation” has started. This could happen between EU members as well, perhaps even amongst US states. The world really needs an accurate assessment of how many people have actually been exposed which in turn will give a realistic mortality rate which will hopefully be much less than the 1-2% figure based on the deaths/reported infections ratio.
www.theglobeandmail.com
Violence erupts in China as people try to leave coronavirus-stricken Hubei province
Police vehicles were overturned and police scuffled with each other amid large crowds of shouting people, according to a series of videos posted to Chinese social media
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Todjaeger
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There are already reports of tensions between US states and communities. I do not know how much of that is fact, and how much is individuals and groups deliberately pot-stirring and spreading misinformation, but there are certainly some who insist on spreading false or inaccurate information.According to this article there seems to be tensions between Hubei and adjacent provinces now the “relaxation” has started. This could happen between EU members as well, perhaps even amongst US states. The world really needs an accurate assessment of how many people have actually been exposed which in turn will give a realistic mortality rate which will hopefully be much less than the 1-2% figure based on the deaths/reported infections ratio.
Violence erupts in China as people try to leave coronavirus-stricken Hubei province
Police vehicles were overturned and police scuffled with each other amid large crowds of shouting people, according to a series of videos posted to Chinese social media
John Fedup
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I have heard reports that some states are pissed at each due to being bumped from order ques due to higher priced offers being made. Not sure on the accuracy though.
Todjaeger
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That might be true, OTOH it now seems that a number of PPE orders placed by states have been seeing their orders get either cancelled or 'bumped' so that more recently placed Federal orders are fulfilled. Not sure if the Federal orders are to replenish the Strategic National Stockpile, if it is to augment PPE supplies being distributed. A concern I have regarding Federal orders being filled first, is whether or not there will shipment bias on who ends up receiving the supplies. Given some of the commentary, I could see priorities being set by a metric other the needs of public health.
I know that some of the supplies are 'expired' but that emergency waivers have been granted for their use. To be fair though, depending on the sterilization method used as well as the storage conditions, expired product could be perfectly good and still sterile, it just has not been subjected to the FDA's testing regimen to confirm that.
At this point (now that I am furloughed for at least two weeks...) I am trying to find out/decide whether I want to do First Responder health assessments or distribute PPE from shipments received from the strategic national stockpile next week.
The mortality rate is no doubt lower than being reported simply because many cases haven't been detected. In Australia's case it has detected over 3500 cases with 14 deaths ... which would indicate a fairly low mortality rate. It is possible that Australia may have done a better job of tracking down these cases than most countries. Singapore, South Korea, Germany, Taiwan, Japan, Israel and quite a few other countries also seem to be recording fairly low mortality rates. New Zealand hasn't recorded any deaths.According to this article there seems to be tensions between Hubei and adjacent provinces now the “relaxation” has started. This could happen between EU members as well, perhaps even amongst US states. The world really needs an accurate assessment of how many people have actually been exposed which in turn will give a realistic mortality rate which will hopefully be much less than the 1-2% figure based on the deaths/reported infections ratio.
Violence erupts in China as people try to leave coronavirus-stricken Hubei province
Police vehicles were overturned and police scuffled with each other amid large crowds of shouting people, according to a series of videos posted to Chinese social media
Todjaeger
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That number is somewhat misleading, though I agree that there are likely a number of cases which were mild enough for people to have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 but not been tested for it. What I pay more attention to at this point, is the number of deaths vs. closed cases, because if someone is still sick with the virus they have not died (yet) but still potentially could. In this respect Australia is doing fairly well with only 14 deaths and 170 recovered which works out to just over 7% of those confirmed cases having died. The US OTOH... with ~2,211 deaths and 3,231 recovered means that ~40% of no longer active cases ended in death.
BTW data sourced from here as of 29 March, 2020 00:32 GMT.
1. The number of coronavirus cases in Singapore passed the 800 mark to hit 802 (with a 3rd death), after the Health Ministry said on 27 Mar 2020, it had detected 70 more people with the infection.
I would bet that most leaders in Western governments were under prepared mentally for the scale and speed of the outbreak of this pandemic.
- Among them is a new case linked to the cluster at the Sparkletots pre-school in Fengshan. There are now 26 cases linked to the pre-school.
- Plus there are also 2 cases were traced to a cluster at SingPost Centre, bringing the number of linked cases to 5.
- Clarifications on misinformation circulating in SG regarding the Coronavirus disease
2. True.
3. We have our own idiots. Law and Home Affairs Minister K Shanmugam said in a Facebook post that he had requested police and enforcement agencies to step up checks after reports of clubs offering promotions for "one last bash" before the long shutdown of cinemas and clubs in Singapore — closed from 26 Mar 2020, 11.59pm till 30 Apr 2020.
4. The key difference is the scary collective memory of SARS that is burned in the minds of Singaporean leaders and the entire medical community — whose leaders provide a shining example to clear crisis communication. I have 2 more points to share on this:
One, by being clear and transparent in crisis communication, the public are able to take recommendations about what to do, seriously.
Two, on day 1 of the outbreak, the Singapore Government had a day 30th and day 60th crisis communication plan template in place (on top of the contingency action plan for day 1 to day 180).
I would bet that most leaders in Western governments were under prepared mentally for the scale and speed of the outbreak of this pandemic.
5. Since the 2003 SARS scare, the scale of Singapore’s preparation at any level below the government for a pandemic, in terms of stocking up on PPE (and countless other measures), in every neighbourhood clinic and private hospitals (before the national stockpile or the government run hospitals) is on a scale that the most well resourced New York hospital cannot get budget approval for 12 months ago.
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An update, NZ recorded it's first death with a female in her seventies dying within the last 24 hours from COVID-19. She'd originally presented with and was being treated for influenza until she was confirmed as a COVID-19 patient.
The Queens Footman has been tested for the virus after falling ill. He is the chappie that brings her meals/drinks and introduces visitors and takes the dogs for a walk, this is at Windsor Castle after she left Buck house and another scare.
I have zero faith in any information coming out of China. Reports of thousands of burial urns still arriving in Wuhan would suggest China hasn't got anything under control other than its media.